Ok number four then.
there have been three points to this topic the whole time.
1 old wod
2 new wod
3 new wod under onyx path.
I'm saying that nwod hasn't changed fluff wise. Obviously old wod is different. I'm referring to two and three here, YOLF And the rest keep talking and one and two as if I'm wrong. They have their subjects wrong. That's why I keep saying pay attention.
at the end of the day they all suffer the problems I listed. Perhaps it's something that just isn't for me, I like vampires, magic, ghosts, aliens, cowboys and star fighters, giant robots and the like though so I can't think it's the fluff that makes me hate the world of darkness, I have a broad range for RP and enjoy basically anything so maybe it's the mechanics or the pace or those mixed with the other stuff but I think it's stupid.
in particular the nwod isn't something I got heavily involved in, I played a few games but it's just dull. I don't own any of the books but at the end of the day the point where this started was trying to challenge my opinion on demons and tell me my subjective enjoyment was wrong. So at it's core this discussion is just a pointless tangent.