How would X win in a fight against Y

[lantzblades]

Don't buy it, Ayako has obviously more training then Shirou. Moving on Gilgamesh versus Darkseid.

[Cherry Lover]

Don't buy it, Ayako has obviously more training then Shirou.

Yeah, but the distinction is not "training", it's the fact that Shirou is a magus (albeit a crap one) and Ayako isn't....

When Shinji uses the blades on Shirou, even if you fail to avoid them they just do nothing. I wouldn't expect the same outcome for a total non-magus.

[Kat]

My favorite Saber (Mordred) vs only Saber I genuinely dislike (Nero).

[SINIB]

How would mordred lose?

[Kat]

The question is, how hard she gets rekted (I probably want to take it out mentally on Break's Nerofagging).

Clarent Blood Arthur is only slightly weaker to Balmung, and other than it so far stronger swords we have seen were Excalibur and Ea. Maybe just using Clarent would suffice.

[SINIB]

Does Nero get a beam in extra or ccc?

[Kat]

Nay, just that "Reality Marble".

[lantzblades]

I have serious doubts one way or another on either of them winning but historically at least Mordred is a fully trained soldier, Nero was not, however Nero might be far more skilled than history due to do her added traits (no I do not mean her boobs)

judging by Extra's stats I'd say the whole thing winds up as a coin flip.

[SINIB]

What. I know you're serious, but what? Nero has set stats, I'm fairly positive we're not factoring in protag powerup or hakuno best master.

[Kat]

judging by Extra's stats I'd say the whole thing winds up as a coin flip.

Mordred

Strength:   B+   Mana:   B
Endurance: A   Luck:   D
Agility: B   N. Phantasm:   A+

Nero

Strength:   D   Mana: B
Endurance: D   Luck: A
Agility: A   N. Phantasm: B

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Agility means nothing if Mordred was shown to survive repeatedly injuries which would put out Nero out of commission. And the difference in Agility is only one rank. Also Instinct B.

Basically, Mordred is stronger than Shirou!Saber and has one of best Anti-Army Noble Phantasms, not that much weaker than Excalibur.

[Cherry Lover]

What. I know you're serious, but what? Nero has set stats, I'm fairly positive we're not factoring in protag powerup or hakuno best master.

Nero doesn't have "set stats" in the original Extra, her stats change according to how you play the game. I assume there are real stats for her out there somewhere, though, although I don't know where they come from.

[Kat]

Fate/Extra material.

They are canon stats for her.

[SINIB]

What. I know you're serious, but what? Nero has set stats, I'm fairly positive we're not factoring in protag powerup or hakuno best master.

Nero doesn't have "set stats" in the original Extra, her stats change according to how you play the game. I assume there are real stats for her out there somewhere, though, although I don't know where they come from.

It's a really dumb idea to factor in Hakuno unless specifically stated that Hakuno is the master. Otherwise, casko has an EX in every single stat and punches out Herakles.

[Kat]

No, she cannot in-game, even if you grinded to LVL99.

[SINIB]

My point still stands that using extra hakuno stats instead of the canon ones is a monumentally stupid assumption.