In the future, if any such dispute comes up, I will just delete the post and wait for Elf's opinion, because I clearly cannot trust Knick to be honest and open about such things.
All I said was this, "Hamara will not hit Characters". There was only one other thing thing there because you summoned pegi. Its not hard to anticipate it.
Sure, but the way we talked about it made it seem like you were not going to cause me any problems. Otherwise, I would have gone back and changed my actions to take into account the fact that a) Pegasus summoning wasn't instant (which I had previously assumed it was) and b) you insisted that the cloud did not hide Rider initially when I had acted on the assumption that it would. Those are both things that Rider would ICly have known and, thus, things it would have been reasonable for me to take into account, but I didn't do so because it was easier for everyone concerned and you made it sound like it would not matter.
You acted as if you were going to let Rider fly away on Pegasus. You intentionally mislead me into believing that so I would not take back the post.
That is why I am annoyed.
This is us having to tell you ways to get away, and if we don't tell you everything (which is the exact opposite of why an antagonist is hidden), because you can't figure them out yourself (or you don't want to).
It's not a matter of what I can and cannot figure out. Even if I can work it out from your posts before this conflict, Rider
can't. Using OOC information to work out things that Rider cannot ICly know is metagaming.
Hell it was actually resolved, we already agreed to just let it die because Rider can't get hit by normal attacks.
What?
If you needed to talk with anyone about it, to try and get a more bizarre/interesting resolution, talk with Bdoom, he has Faust there. Faust can fucking help you. You could have come up with someone with Bdoom, but you didn't, you just bitched about it.
Bdoom had already posted by the time you made the attack, and none of us had any knowledge of what you intended to do. Nor, for that matter, did you give either me or Bdoom the opportunity to react to your attack on Pegasus (which is something you are technically allowed to do, yes, because Pegasus is not Rider, but nevertheless you cannot complain about us not reacting to something you never let us react to). If you'd said "a light beam was fired at Pegasus' wing", then you'd have a valid point about me not trying to resolve it. However, you already stated it had hit and burned a hole. There's no reaction Faust or anyone else can make to change that, unless they know time travel (well, possibly Faust can heal it, I don't know, that would be up to Bdoom).
So, no, we could not come up with a more interesting resolution because you never gave us the opportunity to do so. We never got to react to seeing the shots come towards Rider or anything like that, you just said "Pegasus got hit". I don't see what the hell me or Bdoom were meant to do about that.
You can trust me to not be a dick and not try make a killing blow happen or permanently fuck up a character, its part of the rules. Like fuck, with Crest I would most likely not do what Crest was trying to do to Lucas to do to most people, because fuck that's mean and would permanently fuck up someone for most people. But everything else? That's fair game, because that makes good conflicts, that makes good situations to react to.
That's not a matter of "trusting" you, though. You don't have a choice in the matter, so I don't have to trust you in any way for that.
As for everything else, yes, you are right that you can act in ways that cause me problems. I don't mind that. What I
do mind is you OOCly misleading me into not doing things that would ICly have made sense but would have caused everyone inconvenience. I was going to take back my post due to inaccurate
OOC assumptions (i.e., mistakes I made that Rider would not have made), but I chose not to because it was easier for everyone involved and you made it sound like not doing so would not cause a problem.
Right now Hamara is definitely putting Rider out of her element, someone who is capable of wounding her pegi to much with such a simple attack? That's probably not something she has ever seen or had to deal with. What that does is give you something to work with that's different and weird.
Well, sure, I won't deny that. I just dislike the way you handled it, because you tricked me OOCly into believing I shouldn't bother to correct my IC actions to take account of disagreements, or take those disagreements to the GMs to adjudicate.
If you don't want to trust me fine. I just won't tell you in the future what I plan to do, I will never tell anyone what exactly I plan to do, that's part of being a good antagonist. I was being really nice in giving you so many hints, like a ridiculous amount of hints.
The issue is the way that you made it sound like I didn't need to change the post to take into account the disagreement over the cloud or my mistake about Pegasus' summoning, or bother asking the GMs to rule on the cloud's nature, because it didn't actually matter. When, in fact, it
did matter.
Mike, I honestly don't care. I am trying to be a good antagonist with Hamara, trying cause problems for people. That is what a good Antagonist does.
Yeah, sure, that is fair enough. The problem is that Rider likely can't fight Hamara, because he's just too compatible for her. And, burning a hole in Pegasus' wing doesn't really make things more interesting, it just makes them more annoying. Especially since it would not have happened if you hadn't intentionally mislead me OOCly.
IF you can come up with a way to get away I have not come up with? Try to do it, I would love to see it. It is like the Crest, Arisen and Lucas fight. I always try to predict how the fight will got for post purposes, but every time Moony posted it was something I did not anticipate.
Sure, but summoning Pegasus is not something Hamara could have expected. And, based on what I knew, it was a logical approach. You just disagreed with my interpretation of the situation and used your interpretation to act, when Rider's actions would have been different if I'd known that. I only accepted that because you made it sound like there was no reason for me to argue.
Further, your shot was meta-gaming. There is no IC reason why it would have hit Pegasus's wing. You never aimed for it. The only reason it did so is because you
OOCly wanted Rider not to be able to fly away.
Its great. I love seeing people come up with cool things. I love trying to deal with the cool things. Its part of what makes an RP fun.
Sure, agreed. But, hostilities should be limited to IC. OOCly you should be honest with people. If you want to hide something from them, fine, but you shouldn't be intentionally misleading them, aside perhaps from pointing out things that would appear to be the case from an IC perspective but are actually false (i.e. "Rider would see it like this").
Like, Faust could have done something like create a Giant magical barrier of some kind to give them some cover as they got on the horse (don't know if he can do this), that might have upped your chances tremendously. Or constantly attack with magical fire, it would not hurt Hamara but it would obstruct his vision.
But that's not what happened.
Sure, but why the fucking hell would he have? There was nothing in my post that would give Bdoom any indication that there was any danger there, and the stuff you said in the CE chat made it seem like there was no danger either, so he just made a simple, quick post. If you'd not been intentionally misleading, then we may well have thought harder about it, but you told us you were not going to do anything so we didn't bother to waste time trying to think up solutions to a problem we thought you had claimed would not occur.
What I gave you, is a 100% infallible way for this to be resolved from the point of view of someone playing Hamara. Everything else is not. Because Hamara is doing things, and Hamara can react to things. There is no way of you knowing the issue will be resolved because your not playing Hamara. Hell, I don't know all the ways it can be resolved.
Sure, but you didn't give us the chance to react to Hamara's actions, and you also made assumptions about how my character's actions would work that differed from my own assumptions. In that case, the usual approach is to either fix the post or ask the GMs for clarification, but I chose not to do that for reasons of expediency, based on the fact that you said it would not matter. If I had known you were going to shoot Pegasus, I would have argued my case more vigorously and would almost certainly have gone back and undone the post if it was assumed that the cloud had not covered Rider from the beginning.
Rider is not stupid, she would know that he could see where she was going and take a decent shot at her, and that she could not avoid said shots when summoning. Not to mention that said shots could easily have hit
Sakura. There's no way Rider would have done that if I'd known the smoke was not obscuring her from the beginning, it's just too risky. The only reason she did so is because she knew the smoke would mean he could not tell that she had moved, and thus would continue to aim at the same place. And, if she
had done it, she'd have done it in a way that made it impossible to tell where she was heading.
I was intending to retcon that and change my action (most likely to something like what you're suggesting now), but your statements convinced me that I had no need to do so. It turns out that you were, in fact, completely misleading me. Hence why I am so annoyed about it, and not willing to allow myself to be seriously inconvenienced by it. Because I allowed that post to stand solely because I didn't want to slow everyone down, and I dislike being punished for trying to actually help people out.
Because other characters can do things I did not think of. Like the Faust points I put up above.
The problem is that you didn't give Faust a
chance to do stuff like that. You shot at Pegasus and hit in the same post. No-one has the chance to react to that. And, you intentionally misled us in the OOC chat so we wouldn't put any effort into actually trying to make sure nothing went wrong.
The Pegasus thing happened because summoning it is not instant and I promised to not hit characters. There was literally nothing else I could hit. Hamara is not stupid, it is most likely moved back to the people she was with before for some reason due to the angle of her movement before he lost sight of her. So Hamara took at lucky shot in hopes of hitting her.
You didn't have to hit
anything.
And, you shouldn't have even seen where she was moving, the cloud should have been in the way. I never disputed that point only because I didn't think it mattered, because you intentionally mislead me as to your intentions.
I could have had him shoot a blanket of shots filling the entire area with them, something he is capable of, but I didn't, because I was trying to be fair while trying to also make people adapt to Hamara's presence. Not fuck them over.
Thats that mantra I play Hamara with. Make people's lives harder, but don't fuck them over.
Look, my problem here is not with your IC actions, but rather with your OOC ones. You mislead me into not bothering to fix IC mistakes or bring IC arguments to the GMs for the sake of expediency. If someone points out a flaw in your post, then you generally take that post back and start again. I chose not to do so because it would have held the RP up and you made it sound like it did not matter.
It is fine for you to ICly act in that manner, but you should not be intentionally misleading us OOCly. If you do not want to tell us things, then say you won't tell us. Don't make comments that are false or intended to be misleading, especially when they're being made for the purpose of preventing me from performing actions that make logical sense ICly.
