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[Cherry Lover]

Hmm, Bloble, how is "monster" defined with regards to Luca? And what would the effect be on someone who fits that designation?

[Elf]

Luka is approved!

[Aiden]

I'm not Bloble, but I think Medusa would count for this if that's what you're wondering.

And the effect is generally that female non-humans want to get into his pants and don't particular care about consent.

[Cherry Lover]

I'm not Bloble, but I think Medusa would count for this if that's what you're wondering.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at, mostly anyway.

And the effect is generally that female non-humans want to get into his pants and don't particular care about consent.

I'm not entirely sure how that differs from Rider's normal attitude....

I assume it's not so absolute that she'd go against her basic principles, though (for example, abandoning Sakura to do it, or ignoring Sakura's wishes).

[Aiden]

In Rider's case, not by much.

And I doubt if there's something more pressing to deal with that it would cause someone to... divert course from that matter. Usually.

[Cherry Lover]

Well, what I'm trying to work out is how I'd RP and describe it when Rider meets him. Is she just going to basically think "wow, he's hot, I want to fuck him"? Or is there something odd that makes that effect happen?

I mean, I'd imagine she would get rapey, because consent isn't really her thing in the first place, but what I'm unsure of is how much it'll over-ride her morality, particularly since her idea of hot sex involves one of the participants suffering agonising pain....

[Aiden]

I don't know the answer to the first question.

On the other hand, I think 'agonizing pain' is part of the point here.

[Cherry Lover]

Really? Raping someone doesn't usually cause physical pain, at least not to the extent that Rider enjoys doing....

[Alice]

Sword? What are you talking about? Did I miss something?

and Alice I'm being very detailed because Elf asked me to.

and given what he loses he's no more powerful overall then before. And zel created a magic girl stick, the creation of a transformation belt really isn't out of the question

It's not that you're being detailed and explaining things, that's not the problem. Honestly, you need to do that more often.

The problem is that the weapon itself is too involved. There shouldn't be nearly that much to explain is what we're saying. Plus as bright and awesome as Rin is, I don't think she could reverse engineer a mystery as complex as Ruby like that, nor would Ruby let her. The other problem is that it's a concept taken from another show. That can come off really wrong to people. Again, the problem lies in the execution.

As for Luca... from what little I know of Monster Girl Quest, lots of rape and pain is a normal part of poor Luca's existence, at least in the Bad Endings. Might be part of the normal parts too, I'm not sure. So Rider going all hardcore BDSM on him shouldn't be a problem. ...Poor guy.

And about rape being physically painful... no, there's definitely physical pain involved. It can cause quite a bit of it. It causes both physical and psychological pain, which is why it's kinda a really god awful thing to do to someone.

[Aiden]

What Alice said on both counts.

Emphatically.

[lantzblades]

In short you don't like it, well unfortunately I can't help that. I'm not about to change it.

[Cherry Lover]

The problem is that the weapon itself is too involved. There shouldn't be nearly that much to explain is what we're saying.

I don't think that's really true. Sometimes things are just complicated.

Plus as bright and awesome as Rin is, I don't think she could reverse engineer a mystery as complex as Ruby like that, nor would Ruby let her.

Well, perhaps, you'll have to ask Lantz about that one....

The other problem is that it's a concept taken from another show. That can come off really wrong to people. Again, the problem lies in the execution.

I don't think it being a concept taken from another show is a problem. If our characters can get to the Nexus alongside Marvel characters, then Toshi can get to a Kamen Rider world.

As for Luca... from what little I know of Monster Girl Quest, lots of rape and pain is a normal part of poor Luca's existence, at least in the Bad Endings. Might be part of the normal parts too, I'm not sure. So Rider going all hardcore BDSM on him shouldn't be a problem. ...Poor guy.

Well, it's more a possible problem from Rider's end than his. After all, Rider isn't a villain here, and I don't want her to be one. I also find the idea that someone just "couldn't control theirselves" rather dubious, it's like how people claim that women are to blame for getting raped because they wore a short skirt.

So, I want to know exactly how it works. Is Rider just going to think he's hot (in which case, since he's basically a nice guy, she has little excuse for raping or torturing him), or is there some sort of magical compulsion here?

And about rape being physically painful... no, there's definitely physical pain involved. It can cause quite a bit of it. It causes both physical and psychological pain, which is why it's kinda a really god awful thing to do to someone.

Well, yeah, it can, but it doesn't have to. It's possible to rape someone and be gentle about it, it's still rape.

Plus, my point is that causing physical pain wouldn't generally be the intention of Luca's attackers, they just want sex. Rider would be different in that she finds causing physical pain arousing.

[KAIZA]

To clarify on the belt thing: for something as simple as a transformation device, it does way too much stuff. I mean, even in a KR series, the belt is not the one that does all the stuff. It's usually the Rider and/or their weapon.

Also, the Rider part I wouldn't mind, if he didn't take it too seriously. I mean, there *are* Kamen Rider parodies and homages in media, but here, it's explicitly Kamen Rider.

Also, Riders *do* trade stats for others with their different formes. So, if he goes to defense, his attack and a lot of his speed should go down. And for speed, his attacks gets lower, but his defense is basically non-existent. It's basic power balance.

Also, wasn't Ruby's purpose to simply give Rin access to mana and skills from alternate versions of herself or something like that? The Magical Girl schtick simply being Ruby trolling? Even if we go with Rin reverse-engineering the stick, that part wouldn't be the one she replicated

[lantzblades]

Kaiza you're being far too literal

as for Rin I said attempt, not succeed

[KAIZA]

No, I'm not. Read carefully there.
As for succeeding or not, the Magical Girl part is still not Rin's doing, it's Ruby's doing. So, unless the transformation is unwilling (since that wasn't part of the stick in the first place), it still wouldn't happen.