I'm not wrong and Alice you. YOU are responsible for your characters actions. Your characters threatened others, yes Archer made it a veiled threat but it was still a threat. Archer even admitted that nearly starting the fight again was wrong.
Satoshi did not use the best method to confront Archer but that is where he is wrong, not in confronting Archer but in the method of execution. This means that Satoshi is not at fault 100% Archer made the threat to begin with.
Given what MoS Shirou did and who he is, I think Archer showed a remarkable level of restraint. If (my) Sakura had been the target, he wouldn't have gotten a warning, and even Sakura specifically
ordering Rider not to kill him would not have saved him. He'd have just died of a accidental eight-hour torture session.... And, if she didn't do it, Shirou would have.
as for Rin there was my misreading of a post but Rin still tried to claim that Satoshi was a terrible person without proof of any kind in hand. Further she accused him of being worse than most heroes. Most heroes have three digit body counts. This means logically Sakura will call bullshit and get mad.
she went over the top yes but she even admitted as much and wanted to correct it.
I think you're still misunderstanding what she meant a little, and I also think that Rin didn't really consider what most heroes were
really like, she was thinking of the ones she knew, like Archer and Rider. Plus, Toshi did threaten to kill
Archer solely for trying to protect his master, it's not surprising that Rin was defensive of him.
Plus, the reasoning Sakura gave there was
extremely offensive to servants. They are not worth less just because they were summoned and not born. It's not surprising Rin got over-defensive given her attachment to Archer and friendship with Rider.
Sakura has been raised to not let her parents get away with stuff. Anything from stuff like Archer overworking, Rin reading in the dark to taking dumb risks in a fight. It makes sense because Archer and Rin want to keep the other safe even when they aren't around. So Sakura's character isn't wrong, nor are the way I write her parents.
That makes a bit of sense, but for a child to "punish" their parents is still rather odd.
bottom line, the characters feel bad and are going to apologize but that does not give you the right to demonize me or my characters Alice. I don't bash your characters or attack you so I want the same consideration in return.
Not demonise, no, but I do think that, in Toshi's case in particular, Archer would
not agree he did anything wrong there, and nor would a decent chunk of the other characters.
my characters are not immune to what they say and do and neither are yours. Take responsibility please.
No, sure, but Archer in particular would not consider himself to have done anything wrong, and nor would most of the other characters. Rin is a bit different, perhaps, she got mad and went a bit over the top, but then Kiyoshi called her out on that already.
Further
excuse me ma'am, Sakura needs to see you and Rin upstairs, it's important
is not rude, it's polite as you can get.
I think the issue is more the timing. Forest is
exhausted, and Rin has just finished up with Archer.
...Except, Lantz, Satoshi is a horrible person. His own actions have killed far more than 100 people, if he interferes with Counter Guardians. He killed millions. He's directly responsible for the deaths of those he caused by not letting the Counter Guardians do their job. So yes, Satoshi is far worse, as he's actually stopping the things that save people. That's something you need to realize.
Bullshit. Saving the lives of innocent people is
never wrong, and doing so certainly does
not make you a bad person, even if others die as a result.
You might follow that Utilitarian bullcrap, but not
everyone does.
For that matter NO KID IS RAISED LIKE THAT. Such an upbringing is not only impossible, but something that Rin would never, ever do. That much I can tell you. "Sakura" is simply acting like a bitch there, and there's no excuse.
Sorry, I don't think you're qualified to say how every single parent on the planet would act....
