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[Alice]

Sigh, before I say my piece on this, I'll have to read up on everything.

And post, finally! Sorry, I had to go to a family thing yet again in the middle of writing my post. ^^" But now I'm back and that's done!

Ryoko points out something semi-obvious! Tom continues to have no social skills! Will Tom and Lancer duke it out? Will Tom hook up with Forest despite Lancer's misgivings? Will Kiyoshi ever cook that soup?

Find out in the next episode of Cross Effects, Complex Drama!

[Cherry Lover]

I also do think it's unlikely that Connor could do literally nothing to even get in the way. Connor is half Lancer and half Bazett, he's not weak by any means. Rider or Lancer could beat him, but not without some effort.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

...Well, if he wants to get his throat ripped out, guts clawed open, and drained dry he sure can do that. A vampire in Frenzy is pretty much a force of nature.

Feel lucky he's not a high blood potency elder, he wouldn't have had a chance to scream.

[Cherry Lover]

That seems really powerful, again. He could stand up to a servant for a reasonable period, if your character can just rip him apart then I think your character is too strong.

[Alice]

I don't know... it does come off as metagaming a bit on lantz's part, now that I've read things.

This is one of those times where I suggest that Elf make the call, to prevent further arguing.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

That seems really powerful, again. He could stand up to a servant for a reasonable period, if your character can just rip him apart then I think your character is too strong.

Oh no, he couldn't but even a human like Connor isn't a match for a frenzying gangrel with a high amount of Resilience, and Protean.

[Cherry Lover]

That seems really powerful, again. He could stand up to a servant for a reasonable period, if your character can just rip him apart then I think your character is too strong.

Oh no, he couldn't but even a human like Connor isn't a match for a frenzying gangrel with a high amount of Resilience, and Protean.

Connor isn't a normal human, though. He's half Heroic Spirit, remember.

And, I'm not saying Connor would win, just that he wouldn't lose/die instantly. If he loses instantly then your character is some way stronger than a servant, in this state at least.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Connor isn't a normal human, though. He's half Heroic Spirit, remember.

And, I'm not saying Connor would win, just that he wouldn't lose/die instantly. If he loses instantly then your character is some way stronger than a servant, in this state at least.

Being half heroic spirit doesn't make any fucking sense.

And when you can take a 10 Gauge shotgun blast to the face without flinching, I don't think you can stop him when he turns his attention to you.

[YOLF]

I think what Magos is trying to say is, okay maybe a fight wouldn't be an easily resolved affair, but if it's just getting past Connor to feed from Sakura, then Jack can easily do that, especially in a frenzy.

[Cherry Lover]

Connor isn't a normal human, though. He's half Heroic Spirit, remember.

And, I'm not saying Connor would win, just that he wouldn't lose/die instantly. If he loses instantly then your character is some way stronger than a servant, in this state at least.

Being half heroic spirit doesn't make any fucking sense.

He's half Lancer. That makes perfect sense.

When I said "half heroic spirit" I didn't mean it as a literal statement (Ryoko is half heroic spirit, but that half is genetically identical to Shirou, and Kiyoshi is not half heroic spirit, technically), I meant one of his parents is a legendary hero and demi-god, which means he's probably quite strong....

And when you can take a 10 Gauge shotgun blast to the face without flinching, I don't think you can stop him when he turns his attention to you.

Look, either he is OP or Connor can at least delay him. Those are the only two options here. If Connor can't even hold him up then he is too damn strong.

It is really ridiculous to make characters and then go "well, now I go into super-strong frenzy mode and kill you" whenever Lantz does anything you don't like (that he has no reason to ICly even expect would trigger that response).

I think what Magos is trying to say is, okay maybe a fight wouldn't be an easily resolved affair, but if it's just getting past Connor to feed from Sakura, then Jack can easily do that, especially in a frenzy.

I would imagine that Connor wouldn't just go away....

[YOLF]

I would imagine that Connor wouldn't just go away....

Well of course not. It's not exactly easy to feed when you're being kicked off your target!

Getting past Connor for an initial bite, however, is feasible enough that I feel that was the reason why Magos winged it that way in his post.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Possibly he might be rather strong, but he's still only human. And Jack is easily stronger in a frenzy than Connor. For that matter, he's got claws, shapeshifting, and any physical delay is going to be shrugged off by Resilience.

[Cherry Lover]

Possibly he might be rather strong, but he's still only human. And Jack is easily stronger in a frenzy than Connor. For that matter, he's got claws, shapeshifting, and any physical delay is going to be shrugged off by Resilience.

He's not "only human", though, he's half demi-god....

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Possibly he might be rather strong, but he's still only human. And Jack is easily stronger in a frenzy than Connor. For that matter, he's got claws, shapeshifting, and any physical delay is going to be shrugged off by Resilience.

He's not "only human", though, he's half demi-god....

So? That just means he's 1/4th god. And as such, shouldn't be as strong as his father in any way.

Jack's got what might possibly be a fucking Nemeses within him, a Strix contained within a living corpse. The Beast isn't just instinct. It's quasi-mystical in and of itself. Its the gift and curse of the Damned.

[Alice]

People keep phrasing things better than me. ^_^" Basically what YOLF said, Jack's basically berserk right now. Even though Connor's stronger than a normal human, Jack's basically has enhanced strength from his berserker hunger rage in addition to his vampire strength. So Connor would struggle with that.

Again, though, please wait for Elf.