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[Arch-Magos Winter]

I'll leave it to all of you then. Good luck, we're all counting on you!

I am not certain how I have insulted you. I was presenting my issues with the impression I receive from your posts, which is an admittedly subjective experience on my part. Though, clearly, not an uncommon one. I am being as polite as I can be while presenting an issue with the personal image you present in your posts, and your general behavior in these threads.

Magos was insulting though, without a doubt.

Yeah, I can't really see what was insulting in your post, honestly. Magos was definitely insulting, yes, and I can understand him being a bit distrustful of Alice, but I can't see what he's talking about in your case.

I couldn't either. I think its his victim complex coming out. Anyone who doesn't think he's amazing or regard his posts neutrally is automatically against him, no matter how valid or minor their critiques are.

...Honestly, I'm quite close to just saying that lantz should be kicked from the RP instead of simply punished again. This just proves exactly what we were saying.

You want to change my opinion, lantz? Actually improve your behavior instead of pulling this crap all the time. We're trying to help you and this is all you do in response. Like I said lantz, earn our respect instead of just spitting in our faces. Why do you think I lost all trust and faith in you to begin with, think about that.

This. Full stop. We shouldn't have to deal with this shit. Lantz, as we've stated before, you've lost the right to respect through your actions, and its up to you to regain that trust.

[lantzblades]

Rereading it I jumped at a shadow Aiden and I'm sorry. However as long as I'm being honest you came off as a bit condescending.

I will only say this. I am attempting to improve my grammar day by day however I have issues in doing so. They are private. And that's all I can say on the subject.

[Aiden]

Rereading it I jumped at a shadow Aiden and I'm sorry. However as long as I'm being honest you came off as a bit condescending.

I will only say this. I am attempting to improve my grammar day by day however I have issues in doing so. They are private. And that's all I can say on the subject.

I apologize for coming off as condescending then; that's my bad. It is likely a result of me attempting to be polite despite the issues I brought up before, and it is something I need to watch out for.

[Alice]

It goes far beyond grammar lantz. Far beyond grammar.

[lantzblades]

Clearly not Alice. Everytime you have an issue it comes down to a misunderstanding. These misunderstandings are because we are communicating through text. I guarantee that if my grammar were better that at least 70% of the things you claim about my gamming would be withdrawn. For example my characters trying to take the spotlight, they aren't but because my grammar is flawed they appear to be.

you and I have never had an actual conversation Alice. The things you believe about are unfounded. They are what you assume I am, again because my grammar betrays me.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

No, it goes beyond grammar as Alice said.

Even a grammatically correct story full of sues can still be utterly shit. Yours isn't grammatically correct, and also full of sues. So its even more shit 

[Alice]

It's also in the way you write and create your stories and characters, and also in the way you just seem to brush off criticism like it's nothing. It goes into the way that you don't manage the canon stuff correctly (almost everything with your version of Rin is not only disrespectful to her character, it's also a bit ridiculous). It goes in the way you violate suspension of disbelief.

All that goes beyond a struggle with grammar. Grammar is one thing, but that's not the only issue your writing has.

[lantzblades]

The last time I will say the following. I do take criticism. However criticism is not a clip on tie. It takes time to tie the knot so to speak. I internalize feedback, that's just how I do it.

as for my versions of these characters, I cannot change your opinions but that is what they are opinions. I have the right to write as I wish. As do the rest of you. If you cannot accept that then there's no compromise here. I view the characters differently and it is, after all a lengthy story. It has been. AU from the start which I never once hid. I write all kinds of stories with all kinds of these characters, everything from strict canon to massively different.

it's what writing is all about for me.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Well with all due respect Lantz, your characters are horribly written sues with a protagonist centered morality that really doesn't make sense and actually causes far more harm than good.  They're also so divorced from Canon calling it an AU is actually lying. This is basically original fiction with a thin layer of Nasu over it.

[KAIZA]

Well, since it seems to be the topic of the day, my two cents:

The main problem I see with lantz's characters is in execution. OK, I get it; they're the characters as they are at the end of they're story, that's OK. The problem is, since the story hasn't been finished, we know nothing of about them, nor we have any attachment to them. A few of the ideas you have there also kinda break our SOD a bit (like the Rider Arm, which I argued a bit some time ago). Not helping matters is your grammar issues and spotty writing, which makes the characters seem sueish and/or unlikeable.

Again, it's all in the execution.

Another issue with your posts, is that all of your characters seem to have the same voice; not only that, they sound mostly like you. All of them sound alike and lack their own identity. The only exception I can think of is Connor, and that's mostly because he has an accent.

[Elf]

Wow, I missed a lot while I was at work.

First YOLF you are a gentleman and a scholar.

Aiden- you know I adore you and thank you for your input.

Cherry . . . fuck we all know you're Mike and so Mike I shall call you.  As previously said, yeah, there's a momentum that can happen when a group is bouncing against each other.  Not to mention, the characters I have around Kiyoshi really have no reason to interact with him.  Lancer's not a fan of kids and Kiyoshi is Sakura's son, which is painful for D. Archer to see.  Especially considering what happened with Sakura and Rin in his timeline.   Oh, yeah, and not to mention that chances are he got Rin Teen Pregnant.

If Rider was there, she'd get more interaction and waiting for you to post.  Because, well, Rider is awesome and lovely.  Sure, if Angel was there, he'd be paying Kiyoshi all sorts of attention because A.) Angel was a big brother (even though he ate his little sister when he became a vampire) B.) Angel likes kids. C.) Angel is a father himself, and missed the chance to bond with his own son when his son was that age.

Also, I missed a bunch while I was at work and read through like six pages of discussion to find that Lantz and Magos are at each others' throats again.

I'll get more into that when I read through the actual RP itself.

I agree that Lantz's grammar could use some work.  It's mostly the capitalization issues that metaphorically make my eyes bleed.  If he worked a little harder on his posting style I think people would be more agreeable to play with him.  There's a book called "The Elements of Style" that you can find free PDFs on line.  I really suggest reading it; it'll help with a lot of your issues.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

It was over a post I deleted because Lantz claimed Names had approved of the idea.

It's still fucking god modding.

[Elf]

Well, there was talk with Names and Lantz doing something earlier.

I trust both of them and thank you for complying, Magos.

[Cherry Lover]

Cherry . . . fuck we all know you're Mike and so Mike I shall call you.  As previously said, yeah, there's a momentum that can happen when a group is bouncing against each other.  Not to mention, the characters I have around Kiyoshi really have no reason to interact with him.  Lancer's not a fan of kids and Kiyoshi is Sakura's son, which is painful for D. Archer to see.  Especially considering what happened with Sakura and Rin in his timeline.   Oh, yeah, and not to mention that chances are he got Rin Teen Pregnant.

I understand that, it just makes writing my posts really difficult and dull. I just wish you guys would consider that a bit more often. Even if your characters don't partcularly want to interact with Kiyoshi, that doesn't mean Kiyoshi is never going to have anything important to say.

And, the problem is that I never get to be in that situation with "bouncing against each other" due to timezones. And even if I am people just wait for you instead of talking to me, which means I never get anywhere.

If Rider was there, she'd get more interaction and waiting for you to post.  Because, well, Rider is awesome and lovely.  Sure, if Angel was there, he'd be paying Kiyoshi all sorts of attention because A.) Angel was a big brother (even though he ate his little sister when he became a vampire) B.) Angel likes kids. C.) Angel is a father himself, and missed the chance to bond with his own son when his son was that age.

The thing is, though, I don't just want to have Kiyoshi just standing there like a lemon all the time, and nor do I want to keep Rider hanging around with him. I know you guys might not be interested in him, but I would appreciate not having every post I made with him be a nightmare to write and not remotely fun.

Also, I missed a bunch while I was at work and read through like six pages of discussion to find that Lantz and Magos are at each others' throats again.

I'll get more into that when I read through the actual RP itself.

That has been resolved anyway, Magos removed the post.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

*Facepalm*

Holy shit Lantz. We go through a three page thing on what you shouldn't do and you DO IT ANYWAY AGAIN.