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[lantzblades]

I was going to ask a question earlier today about Ryoko's position in time, whether it's terminator logic based or back to the future based. While I would still like an answer I think the current issue has more immediacy.

[Cherry Lover]

What do you mean?

You mean in terms of the possibility of her changing her own past?

[Aiden]

Oh god, temporal plasticity debate.

I guess it depends on how much the player wants to fiddle with the causality issues.

[lantzblades]

Well yeah I mean the other characters aren't native to the nexus so it doesn't apply but Ryoko is so the time travel question of change effecting her or not is valid, I mean Satoshi can remove the taint for example (just an example) so would removing Dark Archer's taint change her? Would killing either change her or worse etcetera, you know typical time travel questions

[Cherry Lover]

Ah, OK, so you are asking if she would suddenly vanish if her timeline was changed?

I would say for consistency's sake and for the sake of making the slightest bit of sense that she probably shouldn't change if something like that happens. The Back to the Future approach to time travel doesn't make sense because it assumes some sort of meta-time existing. If you change something that change always existed, and therefore it cannot suddenly take effect.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

If you're thinking that Lawrence already ate that taint.


For that matter how the hell does going rider cure Satoshi. There's no mention of that in the Rider Arm's powers.

[Cherry Lover]

If you're thinking that Lawrence already ate that taint.

He means Dark Archer's taint, not Ryoko's taint. Untainting her doesn't have any effect on the timeline, but untainting Dark Archer before she is conceived would mean she would never have been tainted at all.

[YOLF]

I guess that depends if you see her as the continuation of a line that starts at the past, so to speak, or if changing that line before her birth will not alter it in the future, but simply create an alternate one that coexists with it.

Are you confused? Good.

[lantzblades]

The influx of energy forced it out Arch, just like cleaning a glass

[Elf]

Mike, first off all that is bullshit stating I was sabotaging the game for Lantz.  It seems you still have some issues towards me.  If anything, I've been taking Lantz's side for most of the damned game even though he's done some really stupid shit.

Like tracing a car through singing.  That should have been fucking impossible.  However I let it slide.  Hell, I even gave alternatives in how to explain its existence that were plausible but  they were shut the fuck down.  So I let it slide to be nice.

Then I took his side with the Connor and Law conflict, making sure that Law didn't blast him in the fucking face with the shot gun.  So don't you dare say Mike that I'm sabotaging Lantz's game.   I've done a lot of shit for you, but I've gotten nothing in return so stop please spreading bullshit about me or you will see what I'm like when I'm not being nice.

Now I do have issues with Lantz "planning things" ahead of time.  This is an RP- not a fanfic.  It has a hard lesson that I had to learn once, but I'm glad I did.  The only one who should be planning something in advance is me as a GM or someone I'm letting GM a campaign within the game.  And to do that, all they have to do is ask me for permission.  Lantz already had everything planned and didn't ask if it was really okay in the beginning; however as a GM I was being nice and letting it slide.

Another thing is it is sort of tiring to hear all of one's characters all but sing praises for another's.  It's called "cheerleading" and it gets annoying.  Yes, I understand that Connor is Satoshi's BFF, Taiga is his sister, and Sakura is his half sister cousin thing, but Angra shouldn't be praising him like she was.  It gets really grating really quickly and I'm not the only one having that issue.

Not to mention I've gotten complaints from other players about Lantz - I am not going to name names because this shit storm has gone long enough.  I've tried placating everyone's side, but evidently it is not working.  So now I have to get my Dredd on and tote the law.

Also, Magos and Lantz, if you two can't play nice together then I would suggest each other just ignoring each other's characters or having as little involvement with them as possible.

Secondly, Magos- please don't kill of Satoshi.  The consequences aren't worth it.  I don't want this RP to be a blood bath.

Thirdly, you all have to know that I do have a life outside of the forum.  I work essentially two jobs; one of which requires a lot of overtime.  Not to mention I'm preparing to speak at a convention in January to help promote my writing.  So I've been coming up with presentations and the like as well. 

So when I'm not on, please listen to Alice.  She's the admin here.  If she makes a decision I'm going to go with it.  Ultimately, at the end of the day, it's her Forum.  She gets the last word.

In short, Magos don't kill Lantz's characters- Lantz, please take my criticisms to heart.  Remember I am a published and professional author.  I do know what I'm taking about, and while I'm blunt, I am trying to help.

Any questions?

Also, with how FSN time travel works, if Dark Archer gets the taint removed BEFORE Ryoko is conceived it wouldn't affect her.  Why?  Because she's from an alternate reality.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

So is trapping him in an alternate dimension for a couple of days OK then?

...Also, there's still the issue of Lantz's reaction, so while there is an Exploit that allows Raul to flee, there's still going to be the Angels coming, and fast. Clearing out of that area is the best option.

[Cherry Lover]

I guess that depends if you see her as the continuation of a line that starts at the past, so to speak, or if changing that line before her birth will not alter it in the future, but simply create an alternate one that coexists with it.

Are you confused? Good.

Well, the whole "if you change something the changes then suddenly propagate" thing that Back to the Future does just does not make logical sense, because those changes always existed as far as the timeline is concerned. Back to the Future basically requires there to be some sort of meta-time that (conveniently...) follows the protagonist around and ensures that anything he does only affects him after he does it.

So is trapping him in an alternate dimension for a couple of days OK then?

Given that a couple of days is about 6 months in real-time, I'd say probably not....

[YOLF]

And Elf lays down the law.

[Elf]

[Aiden]

I guess that depends if you see her as the continuation of a line that starts at the past, so to speak, or if changing that line before her birth will not alter it in the future, but simply create an alternate one that coexists with it.

Are you confused? Good.

Well, the whole "if you change something the changes then suddenly propagate" thing that Back to the Future does just does not make logical sense, because those changes always existed as far as the timeline is concerned. Back to the Future basically requires there to be some sort of meta-time that (conveniently...) follows the protagonist around and ensures that anything he does only affects him after he does it.

So is trapping him in an alternate dimension for a couple of days OK then?

Given that a couple of days is about 6 months in real-time, I'd say probably not....

Oh geez, is the pace really that slow here?

Er, anyway, on the time travel thing: It's also possible that time travelers are 'outside' of time in the sense that changes don't affect them. So they could kill their own grandfather and still exist, even if they don't have an origin point in the timeline. Because the universe is not so small and flimsy that the misplacement of a single human being means anything to it.

But I admit that probably wouldn't be the case in any potential time-travel experiments based on the laws of physics rather than 'lol magic'.

@Elf: HAIL THE LAW.