character discussion

[lantzblades]

No he's stupid, it's hero stupid which is markedly better than regular stupid  but it is still stupid. By too far I mean that his character shift is unbelievable to me in hf

[Cherry Lover]

No he's stupid, it's hero stupid which is markedly better than regular stupid  but it is still stupid.

You only have to look at Archer to see that Shirou isn't actually an idiot. He is just naive, trusting and very selfless.

By too far I mean that his character shift is unbelievable to me in hf

I got the "too far" bit, what I didn't get was the "to the right" bit....

[lantzblades]

Archer is proof he is an idiot, seriously think about his plan and then how he walks off stage, as for the to the right bit it's a way of describe his position as he's conservative in hf which is associated with the right wing

[Cherry Lover]

Archer is proof he is an idiot, seriously think about his plan and then how he walks off stage

Well, no, Archer is clearly very smart, he's just desperate.

as for the to the right bit it's a way of describe his position as he's conservative in hf which is associated with the right wing

No, he's not. Being unwilling to murder innocent people in cold-blood is not a right-wing position. Also, Shirou is always somewhat conservative. In HF he becomes more Chaotic Good rather than Neutral or Lawful Good, which I would say is a shift to the left if anything.

[lantzblades]

Intelligence has nothing to do with being stupid.  Don't being up alignments,they are poor points at best and stupid the rest of the time.

[Cherry Lover]

Intelligence has nothing to do with being stupid.

Erm, what?

Don't being up alignments,they are poor points at best and stupid the rest of the time.

No more so than defining someone's political position on the basis of whether or not they like to protect their loved ones....

[GabrieliosP]

Personally, I like Shirou very much and, IMO, he's one of the best VN protagonists because he actually has a personality unlike most of them (looking at you, Tohno Shiki, even though you're still better than most protags). Well, I just hate self-insert protagonists, but I've come across people who hate him for the opposite. Well, lolopinions.

[Cherry Lover]

Personally, I like Shirou very much and, IMO, he's one of the best VN protagonists because he actually has a personality unlike most of them (looking at you, Tohno Shiki, even though you're still better than most protags).

Yeah, exactly.

Shirou has a genuine personality, which develops over the course of the story, and the story revolves around that. Unlike many VN protags, Shirou is someone you can have opinions on.

Well, I just hate self-insert protagonists, but I've come across people who hate him for the opposite. Well, lolopinions.

Well, it depends on the story. For something like FSN you definitely don't want that, but in other stories (especially more porn-centred ones) you might.

[lantzblades]

I could be able to calculate pie to the 1000000 place but still be stupid, I mean I know shit all about acupuncture so in a room full I'll be the stupidest guy around if I try to talk about it.

[Cherry Lover]

Yeah, I guess.

It depends what exactly you mean by "stupid"....

[lantzblades]

hence why I call him hero stupid

[Cherry Lover]

Yeah, OK, fair enough.

[lantzblades]

Now I have opinions regarding each individual shirou

[Cherry Lover]

Well, go on then....

[lantzblades]

Well would you prefer the long answer or the short one?