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Re: Things That Annoy You in Fanfiction
« Reply #150 on: April 15, 2014, 10:46:07 PM »
Lantz, Fate Stay Night is no all rainbows.

I do not recommend you then reading Far Side, if bleakness offends you

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« Reply #151 on: April 15, 2014, 10:54:36 PM »
X, I've actually read both novels 100%. I know full well what the far side is, in the future, please do not talk down to me.

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« Reply #152 on: April 15, 2014, 10:55:39 PM »
X you're being needlessly literal and bleak
So telling the truth and being rational about it is a horrible thing?

Ilya is pretty much fated to die young. That's a given.

Except that Nasu dropped some pretty big damn hints that that is not necessarily the case. We don't know for sure, of course, but I don't think Nasu ever intended to rule out the possibility.

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« Reply #153 on: April 15, 2014, 10:56:56 PM »
Didn't HF state that Ilya had about a year left in her?


Anyway, Lantz, we'd be a lot less inclined to 'talk down' to you if you didn't think Silver Age mentality was compatible with the Nasuverse.

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« Reply #154 on: April 15, 2014, 10:57:30 PM »
X, I've actually read both novels 100%. I know full well what the far side is, in the future, please do not talk down to me.

Lantz, I think she meant the fanfic Fate/Far Side, though I could be wrong.

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« Reply #155 on: April 15, 2014, 11:07:57 PM »
Ilya cannot save herself even with that knock-off of 3rd Magic, otherwise, she would have done it to survive.

Nasu is very clear on that she dies year after Fate or HF Normal.

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Re: Things That Annoy You in Fanfiction
« Reply #156 on: April 15, 2014, 11:08:47 PM »
X, I've actually read both novels 100%. I know full well what the far side is, in the future, please do not talk down to me.

Lantz, I think she meant the fanfic Fate/Far Side, though I could be wrong.

No, I'm pretty sure she meant the Far Side of Tsukihime....

Ilya cannot save herself even with that knock-off of 3rd Magic, otherwise, she would have done it to survive.

Nasu is very clear on that she dies year after Fate or HF Normal.

Where is he clear on that? And, no, Ilya talking to Zouken mid-route (or whatever) doesn't count, because Ilya is not omniscient and she's not Nasu. I mean a specific statement from Nasu that states or at least strongly hints that she will not survive.

In the Hot Springs episode you get if you get all of the endings, Ilya is asked if she has a way to survive, and the answer is "maybe", in a way that definitely implies she does. I don't see anything from Nasu that has ever said conclusively that Ilya will die post-Fate.
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« Reply #157 on: April 15, 2014, 11:33:04 PM »
She does have a way, but her body will die anyway - she can shove her soul into another container I guess.

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« Reply #158 on: April 15, 2014, 11:34:32 PM »
That's the best bet, from what we know, anyway.

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« Reply #159 on: April 15, 2014, 11:36:05 PM »
But not a puppet body. All she did with her knock off 3rd Magic was putting Shirou's soul in a locket.

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« Reply #160 on: April 15, 2014, 11:37:35 PM »
Which, for all we know, is not all she can do.

So long as the possibility exists... it can happen.

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« Reply #161 on: April 15, 2014, 11:42:49 PM »
She does have a way, but her body will die anyway - she can shove her soul into another container I guess.

Well, yeah, but that is hardly an impossible feat. And it doesn't necessarily even require the Third Magic, as Touko shows.

But not a puppet body. All she did with her knock off 3rd Magic was putting Shirou's soul in a locket.

But, Shirou ended up in a puppet body eventually, so why couldn't she?

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« Reply #162 on: April 15, 2014, 11:47:49 PM »
Too many variables. Shirou is a human, Ilya is a homunculus, the make up of her soul must be different.

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Which, for all we know, is not all she can do.

This is not what REAL 3rd Magic is supposed to do.
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« Reply #163 on: April 15, 2014, 11:54:55 PM »
Too many variables. Shirou is a human, Ilya is a homunculus, the make up of her soul must be different.

I'm not sure that's true, and even if it is I don't see how it implies that it's impossible for Ilya to find a puppet body.

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Which, for all we know, is not all she can do.

This is not what REAL 3rd Magic is supposed to do.

What?

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« Reply #164 on: April 15, 2014, 11:57:30 PM »
REAL 3rd Magic is supposed to give the soul a physical form and grant it unlimited prana.