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So yeah, the game is officially out now and looks pretty awesome. Get hype~
Talk about it here. Since the game just came out and is yet to be localized, however, make sure to post all spoilers in spoiler tags.
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Nothing to comment on the game proper (heck, I haven't even played/watched a playthrough of vanilla EXTRA), but the opening song, Sakura Meikyuu, has been stuck in my head for days. It's simply amazing.
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personally i'm fed up with the gil whoring Nasu has done, we had archer, saber and a caster in the first game, we get another archer in this game, and supposedly he has the sum of all human knowledge or some such...weak. i'm i the only one who thinks that's dumb?
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Nothing to comment on the game proper (heck, I haven't even played/watched a playthrough of vanilla EXTRA), but the opening song, Sakura Meikyuu, has been stuck in my head for days. It's simply amazing.
Yeah, I do like the opening song. The video is interesting too, with all the weird Biology stuff.
CCC in general does look very interesting (especially with the true end being what it is), I wish I was more in touch with what is going on....
personally i'm fed up with the gil whoring Nasu has done, we had archer, saber and a caster in the first game, we get another archer in this game, and supposedly he has the sum of all human knowledge or some such...weak. i'm i the only one who thinks that's dumb?
Yeah, I'm not sure why he felt the need to dump Gil in there, honestly. I'm not sure what role he plays....
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Gil seems to play a fourth wall mode type character if BL is to be believed.
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Yeah, that's the impression I got. I dunno why they put him in there, though, is he just really popular?
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possible zero made him such, still I don't get the point, Gil is a good character because he's a bad guy. making him the MC's buddy kills that.
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Gil seems to play a fourth wall mode type character if BL is to be believed.
The impression I got is that he's a "steamrolling the enemy with shit and spoilers" character. AFAIK, he somehow figures out what the heck is happening in the game and is not shy of spouting plot twists before they are revealed and saying things that'll only confuse first-time players (hence why Nasu himself recommended not chosing Gil in your first playthrough).
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so then he's worthless to play as until the end, I mean the other three have character development to see so gil is a last play character.
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He's also not nerfed. So while people consider Saber to be "easy mode" (great stats and skills), Archer "normal mode" (average), Caster "hard mode" (bad stats, depends on spell spamming to do damage), Gil would be "overkill mode".
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so then he's worthless to play as until the end, I mean the other three have character development to see so gil is a last play character.
Not necessarily "last play", as such, but definitely not first play. Also, I think Gil does actually have character development to some extent....
He's also not nerfed. So while people consider Saber to be "easy mode" (great stats and skills), Archer "normal mode" (average), Caster "hard mode" (bad stats, depends on spell spamming to do damage), Gil would be "overkill mode".
Yeah, I saw that Ea was basically an insta-kill....
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gil has little compared to the other three who have a whole game behind them.
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I'm not a huge Gil fangirl really, but Gil does at least have the stuff where he reveals what's going on behind the scenes plus his back story to entice people into playing with him as their servant. Plus his CGs for completionists. :D
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you have a point Alice, still I don't like Gil as a hero.
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Yeah, I can understand that part. :) But yeah, there's plenty of reasons to use Gil, even if you don't like the guy. :) Though I have to admit, the Cast Off! scene is gold, even if you're not too fond of Goldie. :3
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i hate the guy, really the only reason i have to like him is that he is a bad guy, without that Alice he's worthless to me
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To be fair, the dynamic Gil's got going with the protagonist (same goes for either gender of protagonist from what I gathered but that could be inaccurate when it comes to fine details and brass tacks) is entirely different from what the other playable Servants have. If you can stomach, or hell, find fascinating even, working under/alongside a being who can squash you into paste like the bug you comparatively are to him - a fact he frequently reminds the player of early on in gameplay - then its worth your time. It adds an element or atmosphere of unease and danger, and that does wonders to immersion.
Whereas the other Servants are already kinda already in "high love-love points mode".
The recent Gil wank that this has led to is simultaneously frustrating and hilarious and mindboggling/eyeopening. Really hits home that his position as the so-dubbed King of Carelessness is what really results in any of his losses. Nasu's trollocity is strong as ever, especially when you consider that it's now all most def canon.
I eat that loreshit up though because I'm totally a whore for it. It's my favorite part of Type-MOON bar none. So I'm grateful either way.
Oh and Meltillis for best Sak-Pak member. Girl's got everything going on with her. And Karna is best new Servant. And Pink Lancer is a real effing piece of work.
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sometimes canon frustrates me particularly because there's so many myth errors but people accept a guy like Gilgamesh is unstoppable and knows everything (supposedly that's the case now which is bull shit)
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The recent Gil wank that this has led to is simultaneously frustrating and hilarious and mindboggling/eyeopening. Really hits home that his position as the so-dubbed King of Carelessness is what really results in any of his losses. Nasu's trollocity is strong as ever, especially when you consider that it's now all most def canon.
Yeah, I had noticed that Gil does basically seem to be being wanked to unbeatability. Which I'm not sure makes for a great villain....
Oh and Meltillis for best Sak-Pak member. Girl's got everything going on with her.
Lol.
Personally, I think she's missing two very important things from the front of her chest :P
sometimes canon frustrates me particularly because there's so many myth errors but people accept a guy like Gilgamesh is unstoppable and knows everything (supposedly that's the case now which is bull shit)
Well, Nasu is not an expert in ancient myths (and is Japanese, so probably has less exposure to them than we do, since the Greeks, Babylonians, Romans, Egyptians etc. not part of Japanese history in the same way as they are a part of ours), of course he's going to get things wrong. Plus, he then adds artistic license to that (which allows for things like Rider being likeable and Saber being female). So, it's not really surprising that the myths in the Nasuverse are not perfectly followed.
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Personally, I think she's missing two very important things from the front of her chest
agreed
Well, Nasu is not an expert in ancient myths (and is Japanese, so probably has less exposure to them than we do, since the Greeks, Babylonians, Romans, Egyptians etc. not part of Japanese history in the same way as they are a part of ours), of course he's going to get things wrong. Plus, he then adds artistic license to that (which allows for things like Rider being likeable and Saber being female). So, it's not really surprising that the myths in the Nasuverse are not perfectly followed.
doesn't make it any better.
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At least Nasu's artistic license makes some things cooler. Some concepts like Avalon's Everdistant Utopia and Nine Lives are nice.
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At least Nasu's artistic license makes some things cooler. Some concepts like Avalon's Everdistant Utopia and Nine Lives are nice.
Well, yeah, of course.
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his "rules" on avalon chaff me.
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To be fair, the dynamic Gil's got going with the protagonist (same goes for either gender of protagonist from what I gathered but that could be inaccurate when it comes to fine details and brass tacks) is entirely different from what the other playable Servants have. If you can stomach, or hell, find fascinating even, working under/alongside a being who can squash you into paste like the bug you comparatively are to him - a fact he frequently reminds the player of early on in gameplay - then its worth your time. It adds an element or atmosphere of unease and danger, and that does wonders to immersion.
Whereas the other Servants are already kinda already in "high love-love points mode".
The recent Gil wank that this has led to is simultaneously frustrating and hilarious and mindboggling/eyeopening. Really hits home that his position as the so-dubbed King of Carelessness is what really results in any of his losses. Nasu's trollocity is strong as ever, especially when you consider that it's now all most def canon.
Pretty much this. And Melty's pretty cool. :) The flatness may not be my thing, but it's not really off-putting for me at all either (Passion Lip's boobs though... >_<). :)
And as for the myth errors, yeah, like Cherry Lover mentioned, besides the lack of knowledge in some spots a lot of it is artistic license. Really, even if he knew the Arthurian legends, stories and retellings completely backwards and forwards in addition to all the other myths he pulls from, he would still have to pull some changes to make it work in terms of the storytelling. Plus this is far from the only franchise to distill and alter myths like this, not by a long shot. Hell, I'd say quite a few have done quite a bit worse at it. Or at least were... very creative with their interpretation. Final Fantasy's interpretation of Gil for example. Nasu's take is far closer to the actual Epic than that at least.
But yeah, in terms of getting around any potential Goldie wankage, you just gotta remember that he is indeed the King of Carelessness. As long as you got the appropriate counter handy (see the Faker) or if you have someone handy with a good enough strategy and enough power to go toe to toe with him, it's possible for him to go down.
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Pretty much this. And Melty's pretty cool. :) The flatness may not be my thing, but it's not really off-putting for me at all either (Passion Lip's boobs though... >_<). :)
Well, honestly, I can't say much about her personality because I'm somewhat out of the loop there. So, I'm going mainly on appearance, and I'm not fond of flat-chests in gneral.
And as for the myth errors, yeah, like Cherry Lover mentioned, besides the lack of knowledge in some spots a lot of it is artistic license. Really, even if he knew the Arthurian legends, stories and retellings completely backwards and forwards in addition to all the other myths he pulls from, he would still have to pull some changes to make it work in terms of the storytelling. Plus this is far from the only franchise to distill and alter myths like this, not by a long shot. Hell, I'd say quite a few have done quite a bit worse at it. Or at least were... very creative with their interpretation. Final Fantasy's interpretation of Gil for example. Nasu's take is far closer to the actual Epic than that at least.
Well, yeah, definitely. Plus, in many cases (particularly King Arthur), the legend isn't exactly consistent anyway, because it's been appropriated by multiple different people for multiple different purposes, and had a load of stuff added accordingly.
But yeah, in terms of getting around any potential Goldie wankage, you just gotta remember that he is indeed the King of Carelessness. As long as you got the appropriate counter handy (see the Faker) or if you have someone handy with a good enough strategy and enough power to go toe to toe with him, it's possible for him to go down.
Well, it's possible to take him down, yes, but only really by virtue of him being an idiot and underestimating you. Of course, you can attempt to ensure that he does, which is what Archer is very good at.
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i'm aware king arthur isn't but his rules conflict all the damn time. particularly that he up ended the last part of the myth so hard. So do excuse me when I ignore LE and the other myth mistakes (particularly joan)
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So how 'bout that CCC!
(http://i.imgur.com/wh38qDS.png)
I honestly did not tamper with that picture in any way- that is an honest to god screenshot. I've been playing through this thing despite my lack of knowledge of Japanese, and well... honestly despite my lack of understanding of the language and a sad inability to hear the voices at the moment, I'm surprised by how interested I am in BB at this point. I didn't think I really would be, but I am. Granted, I'm not even past Rani's chapter yet, but...
She's actually really amusing to watch. I'm not kidding. And it gives her a lot of charm. I was expecting zaniness, but not quite so much from BB herself, more from the antics of everybody else up until things start getting dark. I have various screenshots of the BB Channel that I took, but they don't do it justice. And that's even without voices or music. It has to be seen in motion. It just does. And it just keeps getting weirder and weirder. She makes a hole appear right underneath freaking Robin Hood and he falls down it like he were in some kind of cartoon. She's like a Sakura shaped Bugs Bunny or something. ...Though I'm likely missing out on something by not knowing how to read moon runes. Just saying.
So yeah.
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i'll be waiting to play the English release but it sounds funny.
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Well, that BB stuff does seem rather amusing, although IIRC she does have a nastier side to her (as demonstrated by the torture chambers where she rips out the circuits of masters...).
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Well, that BB stuff does seem rather amusing, although IIRC she does have a nastier side to her (as demonstrated by the torture chambers where she rips out the circuits of masters...).
But of course; that's part of what makes her so interesting. :) Though I just listened to the song that plays while the BB channel segments play, and it's really kinda creepy. So I think they were trying to set up that sort of surreal juxtaposition of funny/disturbing on purpose with her.
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Well, that BB stuff does seem rather amusing, although IIRC she does have a nastier side to her (as demonstrated by the torture chambers where she rips out the circuits of masters...).
But of course; that's part of what makes her so interesting. :) Though I just listened to the song that plays while the BB channel segments play, and it's really kinda creepy. So I think they were trying to set up that sort of surreal juxtaposition of funny/disturbing on purpose with her.
Well, yeah, true. I guess she is still Sakura, though, so being basically nice deep-down is something I'd expect....
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Jinako is adorable.
(http://i.imgur.com/NzT6CgD.png)
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Yeah, I have found myself rather liking the sound of her.
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she does sound interesting
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Hmm, so, what actually goes on in CCC? What's the point of it?
Also, what are the different Sakura's like? And Jinako, also?
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Hmm, so, what actually goes on in CCC? What's the point of it?
Also, what are the different Sakura's like? And Jinako, also?
While I'm not an absolute authority since I can't moon rune, I have played the game to an extent, so I can help clear some of this up. :) Though I'm sure some moon runer is gonna come in and correct me on these things someday, but I think I'm at least 96% correct on stuff. :P
Basically the MC is going on with their day to day life when they go inside a closet and find Jinako inside.
(http://i.imgur.com/0LA9Oqp.png)
She also encounters a strange nun. We'll get to her another time. S/he also encounters a fair few notable people from the first game, such as Leo, Shinji, Rin, and Rani.
That same day, the MC finds Sakura ill and takes her to the nurse's office.
(http://i.imgur.com/96OZfmq.png)
Later that evening (or the next day, my memory on the Prologue is a bit fuzzy), the school is attacked by shadow monsters like the ones Dark Sakura summons in Heaven's Feel, and they attack the students. MC sees Shinji get snagged by one of them and flees to the roof. S/he is cornered, but is told by a voice to jump (I think, I cannot moon rune). S/he does, and has something like this happen:
(http://i.imgur.com/h95aNDg.png)
It turns out that their Servant was the one calling out to them (?). They were separated, but the strength of their bond brought them back together. It turns out that the world the MC was in was a fabrication- the real Far Side reveals itself (or something like that). Now the MC's goal is to figure out what is going on, who is the cause, and the true nature of that fabricated dream world and their separation from their Servant. Connected to all this is a mysterious dungeon known as the Sakura Labyrinth, the portal to which is a large, glowing cherry tree next to the old school building that now serves as the MC's headquarters.
(http://i.imgur.com/R1YLlBW.jpg)
Into this place they must delve to find the answers they seek.
Besides the Nurse Sakura NPC mentioned earlier, there are of course BB and her two Alter Egos, Passion Lip and Meltlilith:
(http://i.imgur.com/iy2DJp1.png)
BB herself is a bit of an enigma at this point for me since I'm only at the start of Chapter 4, but she's incredibly interesting regardless. She's the apparent mastermind behind all this (though there may be more sinister forces at work, as revealed in the CCC route), and contacts our Student Council via the BB Channel:
(http://i.imgur.com/sM5yqVU.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/H9gcKGm.jpg)
BB herself is playful and mischievous while also being sinister and cruel. Many of the other magi she has found have been tortured for their magic circuits, and is responsible for messing with the minds of Rin, Rani, and later Jinako in such a way that their Secret Gardens must be unlocked to not only progress through the Sakura Labyrinth, but to free the girls themselves as well. Secret Gardens are not limited to these girls however, as the MC's own Servant has one, as do the Alter Egos and even BB herself.
(http://i.imgur.com/STQuYo8.jpg)
Passion Lip is far more on the Passive side than BB. However, she is somewhat Berserker-like in nature, as she can be rather aggressive when finally provoked into anger. Her attack patterns also resemble those of someone from a Berserker class. She is rather soft spoken and, in a sense, strives for those ideals often associated with being a good housewife. She develops an obsession with the MC due to kindness shown regardless of their gender, and refers to them as her "Prince." She is often harassed by (Green) Archer, and is harassed quite a bit in general, including by Alice and Nursery Rhyme. She acts as a recycle bin of sorts, with bits of junk data being stored in her freakishly large breasts, which causes them to increase in size. In a bad ending, the MC will be turned into a cube and stored in Passion Lip's breasts for the rest of eternity (creepy huh?). In other words, Passion Lip is often docile, soft-spoken and sweet, but quite yandere, and will become quite aggressive regarding certain things revolving around the object of her obsession.
Melty, the last one, I don't know so much about yet since she's a later chapter. She has a very nice voice. She is on the more aggressive side, but has more of a cool personality as far as I can tell- in other words, less hotheaded than Passion Lip could be. Interestingly, if you play with the Archer/Fem MC pairing, she will go yandere over Archer instead of the MC, but will favor the Male MC over Archer if you are using the Archer/Male MC pairing instead.
As for Jinako, she's more than a bit of a hikikomori and tends to hide out in her room on most occasions. Her Servant is Karna (yes, that Karna). He acts as somwhat of a father figure to her, urging her to leave her room, but with not much success. Jinako prefers to stay safe in her room eating various snack foods and playing video games. She is the Number One gaming champion. She is, however, willing to help regardless, and is a valuable member of the MC's team. She's also somewhat silly and definitely very geeky, but she's adorable because of it. :3
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I just want to know if the game is a sequel or not
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From what I remember reading, it's supposed to be like a separate route...so, no.
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Then why do the servants act like they know you?
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Well, based on what I've read:
It's sort-of a sequel. It follows on from week 5 of the original game, and all the masters in the far-side were sucked in milliseconds before they were deleted.
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Well, based on what I've read:
It's sort-of a sequel. It follows on from week 5 of the original game, and all the masters in the far-side were sucked in milliseconds before they were deleted.
Which, still goes with the "different route" thing I said. :P
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Pretty much what Cherry Lover said,
Though they were sucked up from the Near Side, not the Far Side. :3 It was the Far Side where they were spirited away to
It's kinda both in a sense, and really depends on which ending you get. Some endings tie in with Fate/Extra's ending, others are sort of like a different route, just like KAIZA said. So in a way it's both. ;D
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Then how does Gil work? And how is rin not a master, or rather then it means rin is canon while rani isn't, I'm ok with that BTW just probably piss others off
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Both of their Servants are gone. Lizzy Lancer shows up as both Rani and Rin's Servant in their respective chapters. It's Rani in fact that has to endure her horrible yet adorable song. Rin and Rani essentially act as part of Mission Control while the MC goes out and does stuff. The Extra ending ends with Rani I think, though I'm not sure. I don't know if anyone has tested or said anything about whether your save game file from Extra effects that ending or not. No one ending is confirmed as canon as far as I can tell, since both Gatou and Lil' Ronnie both show up (though Gatou is much more prominent, and in fact becomes more awesome because of this game. Before I didn't care about him much, now I like him.
As for Goldie... I'm not really sure, I haven't been paying as close attention to the Gil route stuff really. I think he pretty much flips off the Moon Cell and does his own thing to get there, but I'm not sure at all. I'd have to look into it a bit more to be perfectly honest.
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Gil is exclusive of the Far Side, it's explicitaly mentioned that he can only exist there, though...
His route ends like that:
*back at the Near Side*
Gil: Hi, Master.
MC: HOW?
Gil: Who cares? As if rules could restrain the great me! The moon is boring, let's go to another planet on my spaceship!
I REALLY wish I was making this up, but I'm not. Gil's route REALLY ends with him and the MC going to another planet on his ship because "lolfuckthemoon".
And I just discovered what "CCC" stands for... But I didn't except it to be THAT...
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While I'm not an absolute authority since I can't moon rune, I have played the game to an extent, so I can help clear some of this up. :)
Ah, good.
Though I'm sure some moon runer is gonna come in and correct me on these things someday, but I think I'm at least 96% correct on stuff. :P
Yeah, I hope so :P
That same day, the MC finds Sakura ill and takes her to the nurse's office.
(http://i.imgur.com/96OZfmq.png)
Hang on, but isn't
Sakura the nurse? :P
Later that evening (or the next day, my memory on the Prologue is a bit fuzzy), the school is attacked by shadow monsters like the ones Dark Sakura summons in Heaven's Feel, and they attack the students. MC sees Shinji get snagged by one of them and flees to the roof.
Hmm, interesting. I assume that's caused by BB....
S/he is cornered, but is told by a voice to jump (I think, I cannot moon rune).
See, jumping is useful for more than just showing off :P
It turns out that the world the MC was in was a fabrication- the real Far Side reveals itself (or something like that). Now the MC's goal is to figure out what is going on, who is the cause, and the true nature of that fabricated dream world and their separation from their Servant. Connected to all this is a mysterious dungeon known as the Sakura Labyrinth, the portal to which is a large, glowing cherry tree next to the old school building that now serves as the MC's headquarters.
Hmm, interesting....
Presumably you've not got as far as actually working it out yet....
BB herself is playful and mischievous while also being sinister and cruel. Many of the other magi she has found have been tortured for their magic circuits, and is responsible for messing with the minds of Rin, Rani, and later Jinako in such a way that their Secret Gardens must be unlocked to not only progress through the Sakura Labyrinth, but to free the girls themselves as well. Secret Gardens are not limited to these girls however, as the MC's own Servant has one, as do the Alter Egos and even BB herself.
Yeah, BB does seem like a very interesting character. She seems playful, but at the same time tortures people she captures.
Why
is she doing that, anyway? I mean, why does she need magic circuits, and why is torture necessary to extract them?
Passion Lip is far more on the Passive side than BB. However, she is somewhat Berserker-like in nature, as she can be rather aggressive when finally provoked into anger. Her attack patterns also resemble those of someone from a Berserker class.
Hmm, I see.
She is rather soft spoken and, in a sense, strives for those ideals often associated with being a good housewife. She develops an obsession with the MC due to kindness shown regardless of their gender, and refers to them as her "Prince."
Hmm, so that sounds like a sort-of combination between Normal Sakura and Dark Sakura....
She is often harassed by (Green) Archer, and is harassed quite a bit in general, including by Alice and Nursery Rhyme. She acts as a recycle bin of sorts, with bits of junk data being stored in her freakishly large breasts, which causes them to increase in size.
Lol, I see. So, that explains how they got so large, then?
In a bad ending, the MC will be turned into a cube and stored in Passion Lip's breasts for the rest of eternity (creepy huh?).
Hmm, odd. How does
that end up happening...?
In other words, Passion Lip is often docile, soft-spoken and sweet, but quite yandere, and will become quite aggressive regarding certain things revolving around the object of her obsession.
Ah, OK.
As for Jinako, she's more than a bit of a hikikomori and tends to hide out in her room on most occasions. Her Servant is Karna (yes, that Karna). He acts as somwhat of a father figure to her, urging her to leave her room, but with not much success. Jinako prefers to stay safe in her room eating various snack foods and playing video games. She is the Number One gaming champion. She is, however, willing to help regardless, and is a valuable member of the MC's team. She's also somewhat silly and definitely very geeky, but she's adorable because of it. :3
Ah, OK. She sounds pretty nice, actually, although she's blatantly put in to appeal to the expected market (that being hikikomori guys :P).
Well, based on what I've read:
It's sort-of a sequel. It follows on from week 5 of the original game, and all the masters in the far-side were sucked in milliseconds before they were deleted.
Which, still goes with the "different route" thing I said. :P
Well, yeah, a bit. The point is that they are connected.
Pretty much what Cherry Lover said,
Though they were sucked up from the Near Side, not the Far Side. :3 It was the Far Side where they were spirited away to
Isn't that what I said?
It's kinda both in a sense, and really depends on which ending you get. Some endings tie in with Fate/Extra's ending, others are sort of like a different route, just like KAIZA said. So in a way it's both. ;D
Are you referring to the servant endings which, IIRC, involve looping back into Extra again?
Then how does Gil work? And how is rin not a master, or rather then it means rin is canon while rani isn't, I'm ok with that BTW just probably piss others off
I think the point where CCC diverges comes before the route split in Extra, actually.
And I just discovered what "CCC" stands for... But I didn't except it to be THAT...
What is it, then?
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That will be week four then
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And I just discovered what "CCC" stands for... But I didn't except it to be THAT...
What is it, then?
CCC stands for "Cursed Cutting Crater", and is the name of BB's NP.
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That will be week four then
Hmm, possibly not, then, although I'm not totally sure.
And I just discovered what "CCC" stands for... But I didn't except it to be THAT...
What is it, then?
CCC stands for "Cursed Cutting Crater", and is the name of BB's NP.
Ah, OK.
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Isn't that what I said?
Nope, you said it the other way around- it was probably just a typo. :)
Are you referring to the servant endings which, IIRC, involve looping back into Extra again?
Basically, besides the CCC ending there's the Extra ending and the individual Servant endings. Extra ending obviously just loops back into Extra. The Servant endings, however, vary somewhat. Archer's is similar to the Extra ending for example, but the MC wakes up in their real body, and a living breathing Archer is assigned as his/her survival coach. Caster's I know involves staying on the Far Side, and Saber's I don't really remember as well, but I think hers involves staying on the Far Side as well. Gil's also loops into the Extra ending somewhat, but then what Gabrielios described happens. So again, it just really varies with the Servant.
I think the point where CCC diverges comes before the route split in Extra, actually.
It's actually after the split- it's after Gato/Lil' Ronnie is defeated and is the round with Julius- it's actually week 5.
As for uber massive spoiler post of doom, (the first half of your post) I'll get to answering that in a bit. :P
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Isn't that what I said?
Nope, you said it the other way around- it was probably just a typo. :)
Ah, OK.
Are you referring to the servant endings which, IIRC, involve looping back into Extra again?
Basically, besides the CCC ending there's the Extra ending and the individual Servant endings. Extra ending obviously just loops back into Extra. The Servant endings, however, vary somewhat. Archer's is similar to the Extra ending for example, but the MC wakes up in their real body, and a living breathing Archer is assigned as his/her survival coach. Caster's I know involves staying on the Far Side, and Saber's I don't really remember as well, but I think hers involves staying on the Far Side as well. Gil's also loops into the Extra ending somewhat, but then what Gabrielios described happens. So again, it just really varies with the Servant.
Ah, I see.
I think the point where CCC diverges comes before the route split in Extra, actually.
It's actually after the split- it's after Gato/Lil' Ronnie is defeated and is the round with Julius- it's actually week 5.
As for uber massive spoiler post of doom, (the first half of your post) I'll get to answering that in a bit. :P
Ah, OK. So, it does follow one of the routes but we don't know which?
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Yup, that's pretty much it, at least from what I understand. :) ...Also, I will get to answering that spoiler post of doom. Eventually. ^_^"
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I've decided after playing CCC that GilgameshXMain is the most terrifying master/servant team in Fate/stay history. Even worse then Kotomine and Gilgamesh.
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It makes sense- he's freaking Gilgamesh, and he/she forcefully tears and dives into their enemies' own psyches and exposes everything about them. ...which really is pretty scary, if you think about it. O_O
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It is worse then normal Gilgamesh though. Was reading some of his scenes and he basically flat out later in the game tells the Main that all he has to do is say "Gilgamesh I think you should do X" Or "Gilgamesh I believe this treasure would be useful" and Gil will pull that treasure out instantly and this is Including EA as well. Gilgamesh is seriusly willing to pull EA out the moment the guy/girl asks. Gilgamesh and the main near the end is basically Gilgamesh 100 percent serious and actually listening to a cooler head.
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...Now that you've explained it in more detail.... I'm starting to think you're 100% right. D: To be honest, I've only used Archer so far and haven't thought about Gil too much, so I didn't think of all that. ^_^" But yeah, I feel sorry for anyone who has to face them by the time the endgame rolls around.
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Yeah. Honestly I love the Gil route the best because of the dynamics. They start out flat out hating each other and giving death threats constantly. But as it goes on and they get to know each other Gilgamesh starts mellowing out while the main starts getting more snarky with him. Which is a rather interesting change from the other three servants who really start out already liking the Protagonist. You can really feel the growth of the characters in that route.
So far I think it goes something like Gilgamesh>Saber=Archer<Caster route wise.
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In the midst of a new interview with Aksys (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/14/aksys-bringing-sorcery-saga-curse-great-curry-god-sweet-west/) posted on Siliconera, the subject of whether or not they will handle Fate/Extra CCC was raised. (Un)surprisingly, a straight answer was not on the cards:
So... you worked on Fate/Extra and I heard that Fate/Extra CCC was being shopped around to publishers… can you say if Aksys is working on this at all?
Hmm… I heard about the game and it was released in Japan. Fate/Extra is a great game and I highly recommend everybody pick it up, but don’t start with Caster unless you like frustration for the first hour of the game. And my answer is: yes, I like curry very much.
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Wow, yeah, that is a really uninformative answer.
Still, I assume that means they are at least considering it, although I imagine that it also means it's not by any means certain just yet.
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I think Gil x Twice would make most sense.
Both hate stagnation of the modern world and both have radical solutions to the problem. Gil by culling unworthy through AM mud Bond Villain plot, Twice by causing a massive world war to change things (and then a war occassionally once things get fixed). He is in right, kind of, by thinking that it's a good solution. WW2 kickstarted modern age by introducing fundaments of many modern technologies. From computers to nuclear energy.