Dark Side of the Moon
Type Moon => General Discussion => Topic started by: KAIZA on July 12, 2013, 05:02:42 PM
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And by ufotable, no less.
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-17363.html (http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-17363.html)
So far, only info we got is that it's a Fate anime. We still don't have confirmation on what it's going to be based on, or if it'll be an TV anime or a movie, or something else.
Most guesses so far point towards an HF adaptation. Here's hoping that comes true. ;D
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Well, that looks very interesting, although I really hope it's not another damn Fate remake. And, whilst I do suspect it will be HF (not least because that seems to be the opinion in Japan), I wouldn't rule out them re-doing Fate, since it's a new company, and the original version of Fate is a bit shit.
If it is Fate, though, then I will not be happy, unless they then proceed to announce a HF version later on.
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Apparently there's something on 2chan about it possibly being all three. While I don't know if that information's trustworthy at all, if it means we're getting remakes of the first two routes plus Heaven's Feel, all as separate anime and without just smooshing them together, than I'm a happy camper. If it means they're just smooshing them together though... >:(
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Well, I would be astounded if they even attempt to produce a combination of all three routes. It just won't work.
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Rejoice Sakura lovers! According to people who have watched the preview, it's pretty much confirmed to be Heaven's Feel.And it's by Ufotable so all the better
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Well, I heard that the preview contained a mix of all three routes. So, it's possible they are actually going to do all three (hopefully not as a mix...). It's possible they'll do HF and try to put a bit of the plot from UBW and Fate in there, though, although honestly I expect that to go horribly wrong if they do try it.
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I don't know about that, mixing UBW into HF could work, if done properly.
So far it sounds like they're going to be doing all three routes, which would be fantastic. Fuck DEEN.
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So far it sounds like they're going to be doing all three routes, which would be fantastic. Fuck DEEN.
Yeah, that's the impression I was getting too. And honestly, that's about what I'm hoping for too. Especially given how UBW was butchered, I'd love to see all three routes done properly with UFOtable tier animation. Hopefully we get a confirmation of some kind pretty soon. :)
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I don't know about that, mixing UBW into HF could work, if done properly.
Well, the problem is that HF requires Archer and Shirou to be on the same side, whereas in UBW they have to fight each other. Plus, Saber disappears early on in HF, and Gil attacks and is eaten by Sakura (which is what sends her on her final rampage). So, I'm not sure how much of UBW would be left to fit into HF, aside from the bits that are already there (like Archer's identity and Rin's character development).
Also, Shirou's character development is somewhat different in the two routes, as is Rin's for that matter. UBW Shirou is a lot more idealistic and optimistic about his ideal, whereas HF Shirou runs straight into the issue of "saving one vs. saving many" and decides to protect the ones he loves above all else. They're not as different as some people make out, but Shirou's idealism vs. Archer's cynicism is part of the point of UBW, and I don't see how you could fit that into HF given what happens with Sakura.
So far it sounds like they're going to be doing all three routes, which would be fantastic. Fuck DEEN.
Yeah, although I hope (without much expectation) that they do HF first.
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When they asked Gen about any possible involvement he has with the new anime he basically said "I don't have any currently but when I was on there I heard something about a UBW anime."
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While I'm more or less waiting for an official confirmation before I get truly hyped one way or another (even if the info's from Gen and he and Nasu are buddies and all that), I'd definitely be behind an UBW remake. :3 The Deen adaptation was horrendous, so it'd be nice to see it done some proper justice.
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If they ignore HF again I am going to be seriously pissed off. I'm sick of Sakura fans always getting the short end of the stick (see Carnival Phantasm, for example or, indeed, Prisma Ilya). If they choose to ignore Sakura again and make another UBW anime I will be extremely annoyed.
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It's mean to assume that the UBW movie counts as an anime adaptation of it though. : <
Plus it doesn't mean that they won't be adapting HF immediately afterwards. :) Besides, we need to wait for the official announcement to be sure.
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It's mean to assume that the UBW movie counts as an anime adaptation of it though. : <
It's more than HF has....
Plus it doesn't mean that they won't be adapting HF immediately afterwards. :)
Well, yes, that is true, but it seems unlikely that they'd do UBW and HF but not Fate.
Besides, we need to wait for the official announcement to be sure.
Yeah, definitely. It's quite possible that Urobuchi just doesn't have a clue....
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Hmm, apparently the FSN anime is coming in 2014. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/09-1/ufotable-fatestay-night-anime-announcement-finally-coming (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/09-1/ufotable-fatestay-night-anime-announcement-finally-coming.).
According to that article, fans (I assume they mean in Japan...) are speculating that their use of Saber to promote it means that they're doing Fate again. I am not convinced of that (they use Saber to promote everything), but if it's genuinely true, and if they're not going to follow it up with a UBW and HF anime, I am going to be seriously pissed-off.
I'm sick of Sakura always being ignored in fanfics, doujins etc., and of Saber always taking the limelight, and yet another Fate anime will only make that worse. Not to mention that it means no Sakura anime, again.
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Your link is dead- here's a valid one:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/09-1/ufotable-fatestay-night-anime-announcement-finally-coming (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/09-1/ufotable-fatestay-night-anime-announcement-finally-coming)
But Saber may just be prominent because she's mainly what they use to advertise their stuff. I don't think that really shifts it towards one route or another.
But personally, I'm hoping they adapt all three routes myself. Though quite personally, I'd like a Unlimited Blade Works remake in general, because the movie DEEN did for it was terrible.
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Your link is dead- here's a valid one:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/09-1/ufotable-fatestay-night-anime-announcement-finally-coming (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/09-1/ufotable-fatestay-night-anime-announcement-finally-coming)
Ah, lol, it took the full stop at the end as being part of the URL....
But Saber may just be prominent because she's mainly what they use to advertise their stuff. I don't think that really shifts it towards one route or another.
Well, that does make sense somewhat, but Saber is barely involved in HF, so using her to advertise a HF anime would be weird.
But personally, I'm hoping they adapt all three routes myself. Though quite personally, I'd like a Unlimited Blade Works remake in general, because the movie DEEN did for it was terrible.
Well, all three routes would be OK, but if they do just Fate or just UBW with no indication of a HF anime to come later I will scream. Sure, the Fate and UBW animes might not be very good, but at least they exist. I'm sick of Sakura getting the short straw....
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Hey. Hey. Mike. Hey.
Saber's going to be more popular with fans than Sakura. Forever.
Deal with it. 8)
She's the first route, on the box art, aside from Sakura's route, Sakura is relevant in NONE OF THEM. Saber is relevant in all three. She's also an iconic design (She even has a 4chan banner for fucks sake, hell, she's in TWO of them. Sakura's only in one and that's one mocking Sakurafish.)
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It's Gen, dude would definitely do hf.
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Hey. Hey. Mike. Hey.
Saber's going to be more popular with fans than Sakura. Forever.
Deal with it. 8)
Saber might always be more popular, but doing a HF anime would certainly improve Sakura's popularity.
She's the first route, on the box art, aside from Sakura's route, Sakura is relevant in NONE OF THEM. Saber is relevant in all three. She's also an iconic design (She even has a 4chan banner for fucks sake, hell, she's in TWO of them. Sakura's only in one and that's one mocking Sakurafish.)
Saber isn't really "relevant" in HF, and HF is based around Sakura more than Fate is based around Saber. So, I don't think that is a valid comparison.
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Your link is dead- here's a valid one:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/09-1/ufotable-fatestay-night-anime-announcement-finally-coming (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/09-1/ufotable-fatestay-night-anime-announcement-finally-coming)
But Saber may just be prominent because she's mainly what they use to advertise their stuff. I don't think that really shifts it towards one route or another.
But personally, I'm hoping they adapt all three routes myself. Though quite personally, I'd like a Unlimited Blade Works remake in general, because the movie DEEN did for it was terrible.
I am also hoping that they will adapt all three routes, it will feel more complete. And who knows, a Fate/hollow ataraxia anime later.
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Your link is dead- here's a valid one:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/09-1/ufotable-fatestay-night-anime-announcement-finally-coming (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/09-1/ufotable-fatestay-night-anime-announcement-finally-coming)
But Saber may just be prominent because she's mainly what they use to advertise their stuff. I don't think that really shifts it towards one route or another.
But personally, I'm hoping they adapt all three routes myself. Though quite personally, I'd like a Unlimited Blade Works remake in general, because the movie DEEN did for it was terrible.
I am also hoping that they will adapt all three routes, it will feel more complete. And who knows, a Fate/hollow ataraxia anime later.
Well, all three routes would definitely be good, even if it does mean we have to wait a bit for HF.
I'm not sure HA is plausible, though, from what I know of it it would end up something like the Endless Eight thing that Haruhi did. It's just got too much repetition in the plot to turn it into an anime easily.
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Carnival Phantasm is Hollow Ataraxia.
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Carnival Phantasm is Hollow Ataraxia.
Well, yes, but Carnival Phantasm is non-serious, not even close to canon and totally OOC (Sakura especially). It doesn't really count in this context. Plus, it uses the setting of HA for convinience, it's not actually a HA anime.
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Which reminds me... should the fans even get a Hollow Ataraxia anime? I mean, just asking, because we know hardly anything about how likely the plot would work that way.
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What do you mean?
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Er, sorry, wasn't thinking when I said that. I'll refrain from such comments in the future.
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What do you mean?
He meant: How would the Endless Four of an anime work? Will they make short episodes of boring loop?
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first-world waifu problems
I hear you brother
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What do you mean?
He meant: How would the Endless Four of an anime work? Will they make short episodes of boring loop?
Yeah, exactly, that's why I don't see it working.
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What do you mean?
He meant: How would the Endless Four of an anime work? Will they make short episodes of boring loop?
Yeah, exactly, that's why I don't see it working.
Thus that's why Carnival Phantasm will forevermore be a Fate/Hollow substitute or the first Tsukihime, Melty Blood.....
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Fate/Hollow would actually be perfect as a PWP SoL fate anime, with the pilot being plotty and the season end being plotty, but the rest is completely random character stuff.
"Despite the fact we just saw a woman die and come back and some other stuff happen, here's some SoL about Ayako being the man of the relationship and pushing for a date with Shirou! And next episode, we'll forget ALL about that and Shirou will practically be making out with Sakura in the kitchen! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!"
Perfect, would spend muh bills on.
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Yeah, I guess that would work, but I'm not sure just how popular that sort of thing would be, especially when the audience might not understand 2/3rds of the set-up (if they don't play VNs). I think you'd need a proper UBW anime and a HF anime first.
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A new teaser video is up (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-12-27/new-fate/stay-night-anime-by-ufotable-previewed-in-teaser-video).
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Hmm, that's annoyingly lacking in any sort of clues on what route they might be adapting. It does seem worryingly focussed on Saber, though, with Sakura and Rin showing up much less.
I'm just hoping Sakura doesn't get completely forgotten about yet again. The Fate anime treatment of her was a joke, and the UBW movie just follows the route and, thus, ignores her entirely. Hopefully they'll do HF this time, since I'm not remotely convinced any sort of merged route will work.
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Keep dreaming.
Look at popularity poll results. That's what's going to guide their show content and merchandising.
It's gonna be a Seiba-centric remake, to capitalize on Stay Night's lingering popularity.
No one is gonna buy the Bluray if their waifu is not the main. And Seiba is the most popular waifu.
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Yeah, well, that wouldn't shock me, but it would piss me off quite a bit, because I'm bloody sick of everything being Saber-centric, and we already have a Fate route anime. We don't need another one.
If they do Fate again then why are they even bothering, aside from blatant money-grabbing? The story is going to be nigh-on identical to the story from the original anime, just hopefully better presented. Also, wouldn't Deen be a bit pissed-off at their anime being basically thrown out?
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It's like why they made Fullmetal Alchemist twice.
The announced reason is to "do it right", but the real reason is "make money off of the almost-same-shit twice".
Type Moon is here to make money, not tailor-make gourmet animu for you personally.
Seiba is most popular waifu, so they make waifu-hay to feed neckbeards.
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It would be nice if they would cater to all of their fandom and not just to the majority, though. Also, I'm not convinced that making another version of Fate would be more popular, because people have already seen it, whereas HF is actually new. Sure hardcore Saber fans would prefer Fate, but I'm not sure the fandom as a whole would.
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The fandom as a whole care about Seiba way more than the other waifus. They are giving the fandom what they want.
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They do, yes, but that isn't the same as saying they only want to see stuff with Saber in, even if it's the same stuff they already saw.
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You must have not heard of Suzumia Haruhi Season 2.
Neckbeards are willing to watch their waifu doing the same thing, again, again, again, again, again, again...
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I thought that got horribly slated, though....
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Still one of the best selling disks of the season.
Neckbeards will bitch, but they still dish out money for merchandise. If they remake Fate, the vocal ones will bitch, but they will still make boatloads of money.
And that is what they want in the end.
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Well, I sure as hell won't be buying any Saber merchandise....
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You are not their core audience anyways, gaijin boy.
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Well, yeah, but I can't imagine that there are not Sakura fans in Japan. Particularly with CCC coming out recently.
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Like I said earlier on, given what they've hinted at so far, it's very possible they'll just do all three routes for maximum waifu profitability. Which I'm honestly hoping is the case. So there's still hope for everyone's wishes to be granted.
Still, we'll have to see what happens. Has there been any word at all recently about the Fate adaptation that tells us anything beyond what we already know?
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Yeah, I guess that's also plausible. Why do one series when you can do three and sell them all...? They're different enough that people will watch all three, but similar enough that they could save money relative to making three completely different stories.
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Well, that EMIYA remix was pretty bad assed.
I hope Yuki Kajima (however you spell her name, the composer who did both Zero and Madoka's soundtrack) does the soundtrack this time as well.
Oh, Archer looks delicious.
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Kajiura seems pretty dead-set on not re-treading Kawai's path.
Fate Zero had several opportunities to use EMIYA remix, and she opted to not do it.
If Kajiura is doing it, it probably will be mostly new scores.
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Erm actually s 2 was lambasted for the endless eight food, that's why s3 is so far behind, also that was the shittiest adaption of anything ever.
as for a saber anime my hope is that they'll do it correctly and then ubw afterwards and then hf which would likely be direct to dvd
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Neckbeards will bitch, but they buy stuff regardless.
as for a saber anime my hope is that they'll do it correctly and then ubw afterwards and then hf which would likely be direct to dvd
LOL
Good thing you are not on the executive committee of any animu company. I wouldn't buy any stock for sure.
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I'd like to see UBW done right. The DEEN movie made me so angry.
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Erm actually s 2 was lambasted for the endless eight food, that's why s3 is so far behind, also that was the shittiest adaption of anything ever.
as for a saber anime my hope is that they'll do it correctly and then ubw afterwards and then hf which would likely be direct to dvd
Not sure why HF would be direct to DVD if the other two aren't....
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It would be pretty hard to get past all the sex.
Seriously, while the sex could be edited out of the other two routes, it's pretty much needed in HF for it to work.
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Well, they managed it (albeit badly) for Realta Nua, so they could do it for the anime. I think it does remove quite a bit from the story, but it can be done. Plus, they managed to adapt Zero, and if anything that is worse (HF at least doesn't have children being raped by penis worms and tortured to death by a psychopath). If nothing else they could take the approach Zero took and censor some of the harder stuff for the TV release.
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Also, it's not like they can't omit the sex making it explicit, like they did with SAO for example.
They can just show the lovey-dovey stuff before sex and suddenly next morning.
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Yeah, exactly. It does take a bit out of the story, because the sex actually matters, but it can be done.
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Yeah, exactly. It does take a bit out of the story, because the sex actually matters, but it can be done.
No, what I mean is that the scene can be handled like:
Shirou: "Hey Sakura, let's have sex"
Sakura: "Okay"
-Scene changes to next morning-
Obviously not exactly like that, but I guess you get what I mean.
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Yeah, what I mean is that the actual sex scenes theirselves do contain some important character development in HF.
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Shirou's dick is an important supporting character.
It soothes all emotional scars.
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Yeah, what I mean is that the actual sex scenes theirselves do contain some important character development in HF.
Well, it's not like they'll do every character development scene in an anime anyways.
Besides, I pretty much prefer this to "No, nii-san can't drink my blood because senpai already accepted me!".
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Yeah, definitely.
It's not ideal, but it's the best they're likely to get without adding the porn, which would lose them a lot of viewers.
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The KnK movies had the rape scene in it.
Theoretically it could be done, they'd just have to be really creative about it.
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Yeah, there's no reason why they can't get across the importance of the sex scenes to Sakura's mental state without actually showing the details. They managed to get across "God, what are they doing to poor Sakura!" in the Zero anime (although they made a bit of a mess of the ending with Kariya, IMO)....
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Honestly the best way to handle it is skipping over the actual sex. Really, you aren't missing much from HF if you take out the H - scenes
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Honestly the best way to handle it is skipping over the actual sex. Really, you aren't missing much from HF if you take out the H - scenes
Well, the sex itself isn't important, but the fact that it happened is, and I recall there being some important plot elements in those scenes (although not during the sex itself).
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Well, while I have no idea about the route still, apparently we might finally find out the 30th of this month (likely in Volume 9 of Type Moon Ace, to be precise):
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-12-27/new-fate/stay-night-anime-by-ufotable-previewed-in-teaser-video (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-12-27/new-fate/stay-night-anime-by-ufotable-previewed-in-teaser-video)
The trailer remains vague on that, as a lot of that footage is just from the vita opening. But still, dat Emiya. We may be getting a remix after all if this trailer is to be trusted.
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Lol, that's the same link Nerroth posted.
We can't tell an awful lot from it, honestly, but I suspect they're going to do either some sort of mix or all three routes. They're focussing too much on Saber for it to be pure HF, but it seems odd to me to make another Fate adaptation (which would have to compete with the existing one) when they could adapt HF and have no competition at all. Even with Saber's extra popularity that's surely got to be a factor.
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...Oops. Sorry Nerroth. >_< I'm an idiot, and this is why I shouldn't look at this stuff at 4-5 in the morning.
But like I said, I'm hoping for all three routes to be adapted. I don't know about it being a HF adaptation for sure, however; while all the footage from the Vita openers is there, I think I remember one of the new Saber scenes being specifically from Fate. I could be remembering wrong though. Though the part with Rin summoning Archer and Archer sitting on the couch could technically make it any route, considering the prologue was technically separate from any specific route, if I remember right. So really, it could be anything.
I guess we'll find out on January 30th though.
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Well, is the Saber stuff the only thing that is new?
If so then that makes it look like it might be a Fate adapation, which would be really shit. We already have a Fate adaptation (albeit not a brilliant one)....
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Nah, if I recall correctly, the Rin summoning scene and the Archer on the couch scene might also be new. ...I could be remembering all this wrong though.
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Well, those could both also be from Fate, though....
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It'll air in the Autumn 2014 season (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-01-28/new-fate/stay-night-anime-by-ufotable-premieres-fall-2014). (Still no outright confirmation route-wise.)
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The impression I got is that there will be some "new material", but whether that means an entirely new route or an existing route with some stuff tacked-on (hopefully better than Deen managed it...) I'm not sure.
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If it is an entirely new route... they'd better be doing Ayako.
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If it is an entirely new route... they'd better be doing Ayako.
If it's an entirely new route, I doubt it will have a heroine at all. There is no reason why they need one in this format, and picking one girl as heroine means they have to focus on that girl more heavily.
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If it's an entirely new route I want the sex scene to be Shirou masturbating to the porn he keeps somewhere-or-other-they-mentioned-this-in-FHA
And I want the route itself to be the scrapped route where he teams up with Shinji
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I can't see how teaming up with Shinji would work, honestly. The guy is just too much of a bastard.
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Apparently more likely than Ilya route, so it would have worked somehow.
Do not question the nasu
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I suspect it would have worked by Nasu not having actually designed Sakura's character at that point....
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Or having done so and having Sakura getting killed off early on by Gilgamesh or Lancer.
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Or having done so and having Sakura getting killed off early on by Gilgamesh or Lancer.
I can't imagine he'd have taken that route, because in that case Shinji would still be a rapist and general asshole. Having Shirou team up with him in a situation like that and act like nothing had happened would leave quite a nasty taste in the mouth.
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If Shirou doesn't know that Shinji is a rapist asshole and simply sees him as a friend in need, I could easily see the team up happening.
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If Shirou doesn't know that Shinji is a rapist asshole and simply sees him as a friend in need, I could easily see the team up happening.
Yeah, but I can't see it ending well. Shinji will invariably end up backstabbing Shirou at some point (even if it's only when they're the only two left), he's too determined to win to do anything else, and even if he wasn't Zouken would demand it of him.
Oh, also, killing Sakura off means no Rider, so that is obviously not a viable option if Shinji is to have any significant role.
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Well, the official website is up, although there doesn't seem to be much on it just yet.
http://www.fate-sn.com/ (http://www.fate-sn.com/)
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Hmm, Nasu posted a new blog post. Not sure if there's anything actually important in it, from putting it through Google Translate it doesn't seem like it is overly relevant, but I might be missing something.
http://www.typemoon.org/bbb/diary/index.html#31 (http://www.typemoon.org/bbb/diary/index.html#31)
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IMO, all signs show that this will not be Heaven's Feel or have HF elements since there is no Saber Alter or True Assassin in the advertising.
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Sakura is there, though, which suggests some involvement on her part at least. And, True Assassin is hardly the most popular character, so him missing out isn't a big shock.
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Sakura had involvement in every route, no matter how small it was. Not convinced unless we get Dark Sakura.
And we got also appearance of Fake Assassin, so that's another clue in that it will be a mix of Fate/UBW, or a Taiga route (because Taiga gets new clothes)
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Sakura had no significant direct involvement in the other routes. Certainly not enough to make her as prominent as she is in the promotional materials.
And, I can't see them doing a route based around a different heroine. It's hard enough to fit in the existing content without needing to write a story for another character.
The impression I got is that they're going to try to merge all three routes, which would mean Fake Assassin appearing makes sense. Pure HF seems unlikely, but so does them ignoring Sakura almost entirely as a Fate/UBW mix would imply.
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Do you realize that shoehorning HF, Fate and UBW into one mix will never end well? Fate/UBW are more or less a Holy Grail War. HF is a failed one, with drastically different elements being in the foreground, and different themes. Otherwise, we can get another DEEN anime. Without bondage Sakura, but not much less awkward.
If Sakura is mentioned in more than passing way like in Fate and UBW, it will be likely about Rin and others saving her from Zouken, but that won't be a major plot. Likewise, Sakura's plight was one of many subplots in Fate/Zero.
Either:
1) Fate/UBW accomodated to fit storylines mentioned in Fate/Zero. Sakura gets more than cooking scenes and harassing Shirou with Taiga about the newcomers, but nothing to an extent of HF.
2) A new route. Ilya route, Taiga route, Archer route, name it. Likely an official 4th route since Nasu is supervising the script, unless he nods at everything too busy playing Dark Souls.
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Do you realize that shoehorning HF, Fate and UBW into one mix will never end well? Fate/UBW are more or less a Holy Grail War. HF is a failed one, with drastically different elements being in the foreground, and different themes. Otherwise, we can get another DEEN anime. Without bondage Sakura, but not much less awkward.
Yes, I'm well aware of that, but it doesn't mean they aren't going to try it anyway....
I can't see them not covering HF in some way. Ignoring Sakura would leave a bad taste in the mouth of people coming from Zero, and Rider is a popular character so I suspect she'll be given some importance in the story beyond "generic mid-boss".
If Sakura is mentioned in more than passing way like in Fate and UBW, it will be likely about Rin and others saving her from Zouken, but that won't be a major plot. Likewise, Sakura's plight was one of many subplots in Fate/Zero.
Sakura's plight was a pretty significant part of Zero, I can't imagine it just getting ignored. And, if Zouken is dealt with it makes involving Sakura more generally a lot easier.
I agree that a direct HF adaptation is unlikely, but I don't think that any Sakura-related segment will be minor and I suspect that HF will at least be alluded to.
1) Fate/UBW accomodated to fit storylines mentioned in Fate/Zero. Sakura gets more than cooking scenes and harassing Shirou with Taiga about the newcomers, but nothing to an extent of HF.
How would that work, though, without making it a major part of the story? Zouken ain't easy to kill....
2) A new route. Ilya route, Taiga route, Archer route, name it. Likely an official 4th route since Nasu is supervising the script, unless he nods at everything too busy playing Dark Souls.
If they do an alternate route, which is possible, I don't think it'll be focussed on any one character in that manner, especially not a new one. It'll be a more general thing focussing on everyone. There's no reason why the route has to focus on one particular character, or why Shirou even needs a romantic interest (or why the romantic interest can't be one of the original heroines but in a new route).
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How would that work, though, without making it a major part of the story? Zouken ain't easy to kill....
Either Kotomine doing some unfinished business with Zouken or a Servant obliterating him completely...
That said, Shirou route is the best option. Just how Fate/Zero focused on Kiritsugu's ideal, likewise the sequel will focus on Shirou's ideal.
If they could afford removing Archer and give Tohsaka an alternate Servant, we could get Archer's route.
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I don't think they'll do a route where Shirou turns into Archer, that probably implies ignoring or screwing-over Sakura and Ilya. Not to mention taking Archer himself out....
I suspect it will be a more Shirou-centric route, though, although not necessarily focussing on his ideal, as such. I would expect Sakura to have at least some involvement, and Rider too. Dealing with Zouken as an afterthought isn't an overly-satisfactory way of doing it from the viewpoint of someone coming into it from Zero (or HF, for that matter), the guy is shown to be more difficult to deal with than that.
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I don't think they'll do a route where Shirou turns into Archer, that probably implies ignoring or screwing-over Sakura and Ilya. Not to mention taking Archer himself out....
What does Sakura have to do with Archer?
To be honest, neglecting Zouken won't be something too bad, since he wasn't a good villain to begin with. Blame the brain rot.
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I don't think they'll do a route where Shirou turns into Archer, that probably implies ignoring or screwing-over Sakura and Ilya. Not to mention taking Archer himself out....
What does Sakura have to do with Archer?
Well, exactly. Archer shows no indication of really caring all that much for her or knowing anything about her situation, which implies she was probably not saved in his timeline. And we're pretty certain Ilya dies, too.
To be honest, neglecting Zouken won't be something too bad, since he wasn't a good villain to begin with. Blame the brain rot.
He's someone who I think most people watching Zero will really want to see get his comeuppance. I mean, he threw a four-year-old child into a pit of penis worms, and then gloats about doing it to the guy trying to save her. That pretty much hits every trigger out there for "most hated villains".
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I doubt they'll take Archer out- he's too popular a character.
Theoretically they could come up with a new route though. One that deals with Sakura's situation, the Archer and Shirou PARADOX, and whatever with Saber.
Hey, if I get some decently drawn Rin and Archer doujinshi from this, I'll be happy.
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Yeah, that is definitely a possibility, and it has more chance of working than just trying to tack on bits of HF to Fate like Deen did....
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I doubt it'd be the how Aacha became Aacha route unless Archer himself was still involved as a character, he's featured too prominently on the poster.
Honestly, I doubt that it's wise to just make assumptions just from looking at a poster, but based on how prominently people are placed on said poster, I'm thinking something along the lines of UBW with something that causes Rider to be more actively involved in the story than she was in UBW itself. How much Sakura would be involved, I'm not sure. She's featured in the Newtype article, and they naturally say it's for the Next Generation Children, so she has to have at least some sort of role, but how much importance she'll actually have is difficult to say at this point.
...In other words, let's just wait until we have more information. ^^" We don't have much in the way of concrete details yet, so I'd say that we need more info before we can really decide what direction this will take.
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I don't think it's going to be "UBW with more Rider". For one thing, giving Rider a decent role that shows her character means involving Sakura substantially, because Shinji is a dick. And, UBW relies quite heavily on Shinji not having a servant, and on Rin not wanting to castrate the guy (for the ending). She might be able to forgive him attempting to rape her, but I suspect she would be rather less forgiving if she found out what he's been doing to her baby sister....
I suspect it will either be a straight adaptation of one route with maybe some scenes added (which makes Sakura and Rider hard to involve unless it's HF) or an essentially-new route which mixes some elements of the original three.
I also don't think the poster points to UBW at all. The focus on the servants and the lack of TA and Dark Saber does imply that it's not going to be a straight HF adaptation, yes, but I think the level of focus on Rider and Sakura makes it seem likely that it's not going to be a UBW adaptation either. I don't see how you could do UBW as a story with Rider having a significant role, especially not if you want her to be something other than Shinji's lackey. Sakura is easier to involve, but it would still change the story substantially.
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If Rider doesn't get shafted, then will the history teacher have a role? Other Servants are not exactly as easy to assassinate as Shinji!Rider, and Saber won't bite the dust, obviously.
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Possibly not, but Rider is overall a far more important character to the story than Kuzuki is, and Kuzuki can still be involved as Caster's master even if he doesn't get to kill Rider. If they really need to make a choice between Rider and Kuzuki in terms of who to leave out, I'm pretty sure they'd rather it be Kuzuki....
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(http://i.imgur.com/CEGOikL.jpg)
Taiga and Archer routes confirmed.
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I want that poster!
The shameless Archer fanservice one.
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So, from what I've heard on /a/ most people think this will be shit.
Opinions from everyone?
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I think there may be potential.
At least it'll be pretty.
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Avenger and Lancer in Hawaian shirt on the poster. F/HA route confirmed.
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So, from what I've heard on /a/ most people think this will be shit.
Opinions from everyone?
Well, it seems pretty obvious from what they've said previously that they intend to try to involve all of the major characters from every route, and most likely give them a good ending as well. I don't personally think that makes it "shit", but I suspect that a lot of people will see it that way, and I also agree that there is a real danger of them making a right mess of it, like Deen did.
And, honestly, the most likely alternative is another damn adaptation of Fate, which frankly is not something we need, and thus will be shit anyway. A pure adaptation of Fate is just boring, we already know what goes on and it's not far off from the Deen anime (just without filler), and any attempt to add scenes for Sakura, Rider and Archer will need to be done a lot better than Deen's frankly-pathetic attempt.
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Better Fate than Heaven's Feel out of two evils.
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Better Fate than Heaven's Feel out of two evils.
No, because we already have a damn Fate adaptation. We don't need another fucking one. There's enough Saber-centric crap out there as it is.
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Saber is the cash cow of Type-Moon, so Nasu will never stop milking her. And to be frank, we do lose Ilya and Kotomine scenes by not animating Heaven's Feel, but we are spared cooking scenes which are tedious even for Nasu's standards. We could still make Ilya and Kotomine more deep in non-HF adaptation.
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I'm not worried about Ilya and Kotomine scenes, but Sakura and Rider deserve not to be fucking ignored again.
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Wait, Rider gets a role in Fate, she is the mid boss.
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She hardly gets much character development or anything remotely interesting to her fans, though....
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>Bellephoron
>Pegasus
>Experienced first and firsthand most iconic beamu in Nasuverse
>Not interesting.
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That's not exactly "interesting" for her fans. Informative about her abilities, perhaps, but there's no characterisation there at all.
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Please, there is no more characterization to Rider than "protect Sakura". She is not very complex character. F/HA only added "rape Ayako".
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That's not really true. For one thing, why she wants to protect Sakura is important, and she does actually do things other than "protect Sakura" and "rape Ayako"....
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She also wants to sell her body to Shirou for a new bike.
True story, happened in F/HA.
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Yeah, I heard of that, although I'm not sure it can really be classed as "selling your body" if you'd quite happily do it for free anyway....
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That's solid capitalist logic.
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My point is that Rider would happily fuck Shirou anyway, I don't think that her wanting to get a bike out of the deal is really that bad.
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...OK, I think this conversation's going in a really uncomfortable direction, so let's just drop it here.
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My point is that Rider would happily fuck Shirou anyway, I don't think that her wanting to get a bike out of the deal is really that bad.
Wow, Rider's quite the nymphomaniac isn't she, considering she's willing to fuck about anything that moves.
I guess your characterization in cross effects is as accurate as can be.
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I'm not worried about Ilya and Kotomine scenes, but Sakura and Rider deserve not to be fucking ignored again.
I don't think they really deserve anything, being fictional.
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For that matter, Sakura matters in approximately 1 route... and even then Kotomine is so much more interesting than her than her in that.
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For that matter, Sakura matters in approximately 1 route... and even then Kotomine is so much more interesting than her than her in that.
Sakura is still a damn important character in the story as a whole. If they're going to overlook HF again, they need to at least involve Sakura elsewhere.
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What does Sakura do in Fate and UBW?
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Doesn't matter, because FSN isn't just Fate and UBW.
Plus, she's important to the setting as a whole (she's Rin's sister and Rider's master), you can't really understand the whole story without knowing her story.
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What does Sakura do in Fate and UBW?
Nothing.
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Doesn't matter, because FSN isn't just Fate and UBW.
Plus, she's important to the setting as a whole (she's Rin's sister and Rider's master), you can't really understand the whole story without knowing her story.
Well, if they only adapt a single route they're not showing the full story. Just a piece. You may need Sakura to get all of FSN but not UBW or Fate.
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But the anime is advertised as "Fate/Stay Night", not "Fate" or "Unlimited Blade Works". And, as I said already, we have an existing Fate adaptation, and a UBW one too (albeit a really awful one), so if any route should be adapted, it's HF.
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Sakura is still a damn important character in the story as a whole. If they're going to overlook HF again, they need to at least involve Sakura elsewhere.
In more than 2/3 of the story (because Fate is longer than HF) she is so minor character that Issei gets to do more major thing if we count bad ends.
But the anime is advertised as "Fate/Stay Night", not "Fate" or "Unlimited Blade Works". And, as I said already, we have an existing Fate adaptation, and a UBW one too (albeit a really awful one), so if any route should be adapted, it's HF.
There is Fate in Fate/Stay Night, you know. And since ufotable is a separate studio, there should care less about what DEEN have animated. Also, remakes are very popular in Japan now.
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Sakura is still a damn important character in the story as a whole. If they're going to overlook HF again, they need to at least involve Sakura elsewhere.
In more than 2/3 of the story (because Fate is longer than HF) she is so minor character that Issei gets to do more major thing if we count bad ends.
Doesn't fucking matter, because we're not talking about just 2/3rds of the story, we're talking about the whole thing. Plus, even then that is not true, Sakura has far more involvement even in those routes than Issei does.
But the anime is advertised as "Fate/Stay Night", not "Fate" or "Unlimited Blade Works". And, as I said already, we have an existing Fate adaptation, and a UBW one too (albeit a really awful one), so if any route should be adapted, it's HF.
There is Fate in Fate/Stay Night, you know. And since ufotable is a separate studio, there should care less about what DEEN have animated. Also, remakes are very popular in Japan now.
Bullshit, it is still the same damn story, and authorised by TM. They should absolutely take account of what has been done before.
And, as for the "Fate in Fate/Stay Night" thing, you're just being deliberately stupid. You know exactly what I meant, and you know damn well that I am right.
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Guys, let's stop arguing, OK? Let's be civil about this and respect each other's opinions.
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I think this is a discussion board and they should discuss each others' opinions.
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Doesn't fucking matter, because we're not talking about just 2/3rds of the story, we're talking about the whole thing.
Type-Moon now sells routes seperately.
And, as for the "Fate in Fate/Stay Night" thing, you're just being deliberately stupid. You know exactly what I meant, and you know damn well that I am right.
You cannot be right in the sense of being objectively right, since your desire to see HF animated is a matter of opinion. The same case as Saber fans wanting to see Fate animated, and since they are the majority (look at polls) there is a high chance they will be pandered to since Saber is Nasu's cash cow. She sells better than Rin and Sakura.
Personally I'd prefer DDD anime.
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Doesn't fucking matter, because we're not talking about just 2/3rds of the story, we're talking about the whole thing.
Type-Moon now sells routes seperately.
Yeah, but this anime isn't being advertised as "Fate/Stay Night: Fate route", is it...?
And, as for the "Fate in Fate/Stay Night" thing, you're just being deliberately stupid. You know exactly what I meant, and you know damn well that I am right.
You cannot be right in the sense of being objectively right, since your desire to see HF animated is a matter of opinion. The same case as Saber fans wanting to see Fate animated, and since they are the majority (look at polls) there is a high chance they will be pandered to since Saber is Nasu's cash cow. She sells better than Rin and Sakura.
Personally I'd prefer DDD anime.
No, I'm not objectively right in saying that they should animate HF, but I am right that they are advertising it as a FSN anime and not as an anime for one of the routes, and I'm also right that there already exists a Fate adaptation (and a UBW one, albeit really bad).
You are right, of course, that Saber fans are likely to given higher priority because there are more of them, but the same logic leads to the conclusion that it is better to attempt to please all of the fans, which means adding stuff for Sakura, Rider etc.
Most likely, it will be somewhat based on Fate, but I would be surprised if it was pure Fate. Especially given their previous comments about wanting to please everyone.
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Yeah, but this anime isn't being advertised as "Fate/Stay Night: Fate route", is it...?
But it's not either Heaven's Feel. They are keeping us in dark. It could be even an original route or the cut out Ilya route, modified for the target audience. Or the one leading to F/HA, since we got snippets of Avenger and Hawaian shirt Lancer in newest promo materials.
You are right, of course, that Saber fans are likely to given higher priority because there are more of them, but the same logic leads to the conclusion that it is better to attempt to please all of the fans, which means adding stuff for Sakura, Rider etc.
Most likely, it will be somewhat based on Fate, but I would be surprised if it was pure Fate.
I just 'pray' if that's the case the Sakura plot is handled more like in the manga's case rather than another case of BSDM Sakura. If ufotable decides it will not be congruent to add certain extra scenes, they probably won't risk.
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Yeah, but this anime isn't being advertised as "Fate/Stay Night: Fate route", is it...?
But it's not either Heaven's Feel. They are keeping us in dark. It could be even an original route or the cut out Ilya route, modified for the target audience. Or the one leading to F/HA, since we got snippets of Avenger and Hawaian shirt Lancer in newest promo materials.
Sure, but I never said it would be HF.
You are right, of course, that Saber fans are likely to given higher priority because there are more of them, but the same logic leads to the conclusion that it is better to attempt to please all of the fans, which means adding stuff for Sakura, Rider etc.
Most likely, it will be somewhat based on Fate, but I would be surprised if it was pure Fate.
I just 'pray' if that's the case the Sakura plot is handled more like in the manga's case rather than another case of BSDM Sakura. If ufotable decides it will not be congruent to add certain extra scenes, they probably won't risk.
Honestly, both are crap. The manga completely changes Sakura's backstory, and honestly is focussed more on Shinji than Sakura, and the anime, well, yeah....
I'm pretty sure they will do something, though. Hopefully it's not a complete mess like the manga and original anime were....
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What's bad about changes to Sakura's and Shinji's backstories? Arguably, without lolworms we can take it more seriously than Heaven's Feeling.
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Manga is baaaaaad.
as for this new anime. Well, I like all the characters so as long as they don't pull a tsukihime I'm fine.
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What's bad about changes to Sakura's and Shinji's backstories? Arguably, without lolworms we can take it more seriously than Heaven's Feeling.
Because, without Zouken, Sakura's actions in the story don't make sense given her canonical personality. There is no reason for her to hand Rider over to Shinji if she doesn't have Zouken to control her or, indeed, to even summon Rider at all. And, without Zouken being abusive, there is no reason why she would end up so submissive to Shinji in the first place. Hell, for that matter, there is no reason for her to even end up with the Matou family without Zouken wanting to train her.
Plus, in any case, this follows Zero, which was made by the same company. It might not be a direct sequel, but to change Sakura's backstory would confuse the hell out of people.
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There was Byakuya in manga to be abusive.
And I disagree about manga being bad, it was certainly better than DEEN.
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It's not just about the abuse, though, it's about control. Sakura shows in HF that she's quite capable of opposing Zouken if it means enough to her (she refuses to control Rider despite expecting him to throw her to the worms for it), so why would she go for the Grail War if she didn't have him to force her into it. Further, even if he could get her to compete, there's no reason for her not to use Rider to free herself from him. And, even if she doesn't do that, why would she hand Rider to Shinji so he can use her to kill Shirou when she could just use Rider herself to protect Shirou? In canon, Zouken prevents that, because he'll force her to use Rider to win the war, but without the worms there is nothing to prevent her opposing him.
The only way to make it work is to drastically alter Sakura's personality, and make her a much weaker person. And, since what I like about Sakura is her mental strength, I don't like that idea one bit.
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In FSN manga Zouken could have as well act from the shadows. He clearly exists in UBW or Fate, but he still estimates he will survive long enough for the next HGW, so he is patient.
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Anyone seen or have a link to the new trailer?
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Pai provided this:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/e3m4rpmgsa47ckg/TV%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%E3%80%8CFate+stay+night%E3%80%8DPV%E7%AC%AC%EF%BC%92%E5%BC%BE%EF%BC%88AnimeJapan%E5%85%AC%E9%96%8BPV+%E3%83%96%E3%83%A9%E3%83%83%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A2%E3%83%83%E3%83%97%E7%89%88%EF%BC%89+-+Copy.mp4 (http://www.mediafire.com/download/e3m4rpmgsa47ckg/TV%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%E3%80%8CFate+stay+night%E3%80%8DPV%E7%AC%AC%EF%BC%92%E5%BC%BE%EF%BC%88AnimeJapan%E5%85%AC%E9%96%8BPV+%E3%83%96%E3%83%A9%E3%83%83%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A2%E3%83%83%E3%83%97%E7%89%88%EF%BC%89+-+Copy.mp4)
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Fate route confirmed.
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Here's a Youtube version of the video, BTW:
TVアニメ「Fatestay night」PV第２弾（AnimeJapan公開PV ブラッシュアップ版） Full HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWM00m7AnaQ#ws)
Is it just the same as the other PV? It looks like it. Certainly there is nothing particularly informative in there.
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Taiga route confirmed.
Also this:
(http://i.4cdn.org/a/1399567646229.gif)
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UBW route confirmed.
Thank you ufo, we get the route of best grill.
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O_O
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O_O
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If I was able to find a decent Ode to Joy video on short notice, I'd so be linking it right now. Because dear god, yeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssss.
(For Mike, HF is getting a movie btw, so there's still a reason for you to be happy too.)
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Hmm, I'm actually really surprised at this. I was expecting them to do something like attempting to merge the routes to satisfy the people from Zero. I wouldn't be surprised if they at least attempt to add some more Saber stuff to UBW, though, (although, then, Saber isn't exactly ignored in UBW), and they might also somewhat cover Sakura as part of Rin's story, although the HF film means they don't necessarily need to deal with her situation entirely.
It's awesome that they're finally actually going to do HF. I hope they go with the True end, though, the Normal end is just depressing. And, I also hope they make it long enough that it doesn't turn out to be a horribly-rushed abomination like the UBW movie did.
TVアニメ「Fate/stay night」PV第3弾 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spseKv7jtmY#ws)
「Fate／stay night」Heaven's Feel PV01 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X7JEFF9mvs#ws)
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No thread for it, and the info was released alongside this news, so:
Fate/Strange Fake seems to be getting a LN.
Fate/Grand Order is an RPG not unlike Apocrypha was going to be. The site shows Saber, Joan, and "Stray Servant" (Shield Girl): http://www.fate-go.jp/ (http://www.fate-go.jp/)
It no longer seems, like I had theorized, that Stray Servant is Ajax-ko, but instead is connected to "1888, Knight of Londium" - Order of St. John? Queen Victoria? Princess Louise? Don't know, but she's the one I'm interested in.
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>Unlimited Blade Works
Excuse me while I rejoice.
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Oh man, I'm so excited about this.
UBW just seems like, if done right, could be a stand-alone. Like you wouldn't need to have watched Zero before going into it, but if you have then there's all the neat call backs. (Especially when the whole Kiritsugu/Shirou/Archer situation comes to light.)
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Well, UBW doesn't actually follow on from Zero all that much, aside from the focus on Shirou's ideal (which is common to all three routes). It is very much a stand-alone thing, which is possibly why they're also doing HF, to give more resolution to Zero stuff.
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Well, since they are adding stuff, it wouldn't be too hard to make it a sequel of sorts to Zero.
Not to mention UBW Saber is closer to Zero Saber than Fate. In Fate you just see her get dickmitized by Shirou and she loses her regal awesomeness.
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Well, since they are adding stuff, it wouldn't be too hard to make it a sequel of sorts to Zero.
Not to mention UBW Saber is closer to Zero Saber than Fate. In Fate you just see her get dickmitized by Shirou and she loses her regal awesomeness.
I don't think they can really make it a Zero sequel. UBW doesn't really deal with Ilya, Sakura or Kotomine in any significant manner, which means that a large chunk of the Zero side-plots will be left out (and, as a result, Rin's character development is also incomplete). And, I don't really see how they can add any of those things to UBW without significant changes, which are unlikely given that all three are covered in HF. The HF movie is likely to be far more of a sequel to Zero than the UBW anime.
And, whilst UBW Saber is perhaps "closer" to Zero Saber than Fate Saber is, I don't think that's really the point. The point of Saber's development is for her to go from "I'm a total failure of a King who needs to sell myself into eternal slavery at the hands of the world in order to erase myself from existence" like she is in Zero to "actually, yeah, I should just accept what happened and move on", and that development isn't so clear in UBW as it is in Fate.
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I don't think they can really make it a Zero sequel. UBW doesn't really deal with Ilya, Sakura or Kotomine in any significant manner, which means that a large chunk of the Zero side-plots will be left out (and, as a result, Rin's character development is also incomplete). And, I don't really see how they can add any of those things to UBW without significant changes, which are unlikely given that all three are covered in HF. The HF movie is likely to be far more of a sequel to Zero than the UBW anime.
There are elements that tie in from Zero in UBW. Mainly Kiritsigu's dream and the continuation of it as seen with the Shirou and Archer paradox. Not to mention, there have been theories elsewhere, that in UBW they might have Rin being the one who kills Kotomine. Which would give closure to Rin on that front.
And, whilst UBW Saber is perhaps "closer" to Zero Saber than Fate Saber is, I don't think that's really the point. The point of Saber's development is for her to go from "I'm a total failure of a King who needs to sell myself into eternal slavery at the hands of the world in order to erase myself from existence" like she is in Zero to "actually, yeah, I should just accept what happened and move on", and that development isn't so clear in UBW as it is in Fate.
The development is still pretty clear in UBW. The problem with Fate is that the "romance" just completely defangs Saber. In UBW she isn't defanged. She makes the realization through Shirou and Archer. She finds a kindred spirit in them and through their answer she finds their own. Which also ties back to the Saber and Kerry clash in Zero.
Sure, admittedly, HF is more of a "continuation" of Zero (which is probably why they're making the HF movie or movies), but UBW is a continuation for Kerry's ideal.
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Very excited for HF
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I don't think they can really make it a Zero sequel. UBW doesn't really deal with Ilya, Sakura or Kotomine in any significant manner, which means that a large chunk of the Zero side-plots will be left out (and, as a result, Rin's character development is also incomplete). And, I don't really see how they can add any of those things to UBW without significant changes, which are unlikely given that all three are covered in HF. The HF movie is likely to be far more of a sequel to Zero than the UBW anime.
There are elements that tie in from Zero in UBW. Mainly Kiritsigu's dream and the continuation of it as seen with the Shirou and Archer paradox.
Yeah, there are elements of Zero that are covered in UBW (which is true for all three routes), but I think that there are a lot of elements that aren't and can't really be.
Not to mention, there have been theories elsewhere, that in UBW they might have Rin being the one who kills Kotomine. Which would give closure to Rin on that front.
Honestly, I find that unlikely. Rin killing Kotomine would necessitate changing the story around somewhat, given that she was tied to a chair at the time in the original VN, and I don't get the impression that they intend to make significant changes to the flow of the story.
And, whilst UBW Saber is perhaps "closer" to Zero Saber than Fate Saber is, I don't think that's really the point. The point of Saber's development is for her to go from "I'm a total failure of a King who needs to sell myself into eternal slavery at the hands of the world in order to erase myself from existence" like she is in Zero to "actually, yeah, I should just accept what happened and move on", and that development isn't so clear in UBW as it is in Fate.
The development is still pretty clear in UBW. The problem with Fate is that the "romance" just completely defangs Saber. In UBW she isn't defanged. She makes the realization through Shirou and Archer. She finds a kindred spirit in them and through their answer she finds their own. Which also ties back to the Saber and Kerry clash in Zero.
Yeah, I guess. I think a reasonable amount of Saber's character development is glossed over in UBW, but that's mostly because it was covered in Fate already. I wouldn't be surprised to see them add stuff about Saber's past as extra scenes.
Sure, admittedly, HF is more of a "continuation" of Zero (which is probably why they're making the HF movie or movies), but UBW is a continuation for Kerry's ideal.
Well, both UBW and HF act as a continuation to the "Kiritsugu's ideal" stuff, in different ways. But, honestly, UBW Shirou doesn't take up Kiritsugu's ideal. If you dumped UBW Shirou in HF around the time of MoS, I don't think he'd go down the MoS path, I think he'd give Sakura a chance. UBW Shirou accepts that he might have to kill sometimes, and that he can't save everyone, but he doesn't ever take up Kiritsugu's purely Utilitarian attitude to people. He still wants to save everyone, and I think he'd be very reluctant to kill someone who wasn't acting to harm others of their own free will.
Very excited for HF
Yeah, it's good that we're finally getting a HF adaptation. I just hope they don't rush it like Deen did with UBW, though. I personally think it needs ~6 hours to do it properly, but a little less might be OK if it's done well.
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I honestly can't say I care about the announced animes. Frankly they dubbed Zero but have yet to give us a DVD release. So if these do the same I'm afraid I'll have to just say fuck it to the new stuff.
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I honestly can't say I care about the announced animes. Frankly they dubbed Zero but have yet to give us a DVD release. So if these do the same I'm afraid I'll have to just say fuck it to the new stuff.
What do you mean?
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He means that he won't watch it unless he has both the DVD and a dub
for some dumb reason
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You don't care that they announced a brand new anime adaptation of Fate handled by Ufotable, and on top of that a movie, because you're concerned that they won't put out DVDs for a future dubbed (and hence most likely shittier in the VA department) version?
Lantz, that seems like a really odd train of thought.
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Neither of you understand content law. Yeah, Netflix is streaming fate zero FOR AMERICANS 98% of the content seen advertized by Netflix doesn't show up in Canada on Netflix and other such sites that stream by region. Besides that it's the fucking principle, I only want one show, I shouldn't have to pay for an entire service for one show. Plus I collect tv series, kinda fucks up the collection if it's half import half not.
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Whoa whoa easy there. You kinda didn't explain context at all in your previous post, y'know.
To me it's still odd that you aren't happy about the news simply because of starting from the negative assumption there might not be DVDs of the dubs. But I won't contest that, it's your opinion.
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Neither of you understand content law. Yeah, Netflix is streaming fate zero FOR AMERICANS 98% of the content seen advertized by Netflix doesn't show up in Canada on Netflix and other such sites that stream by region. Besides that it's the fucking principle, I only want one show, I shouldn't have to pay for an entire service for one show. Plus I collect tv series, kinda fucks up the collection if it's half import half not.
Honestly, Lantz, I don't care about content law, because I'm just going to torrent it anyway. If Ufotable decide to actually try to sell it to me, then I might go out and buy it, otherwise that's quite frankly their problem, not mine....
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Zero did have a DVD release though. It's just rather expensive.
Not to mention you can get legal subtitles from CrunchyRoll free; you just have to watch commercials. However though, the way of the DVD/Bluray is dying for anime. Due to anime's ever growing online nature, it's becoming streamed more and more.
Seriously, go to a Best Buy and look at the anime section. There is only one shelf for it. However, it is fairly easy, and now legal with the help of sites like CrunchyRoll and Fundimation, to stream subtitled anime for free so the only thing you really have to pay for is internet.
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Neither of you understand content law. Yeah, Netflix is streaming fate zero FOR AMERICANS 98% of the content seen advertized by Netflix doesn't show up in Canada on Netflix and other such sites that stream by region. Besides that it's the fucking principle, I only want one show, I shouldn't have to pay for an entire service for one show. Plus I collect tv series, kinda fucks up the collection if it's half import half not.
Hey. Hi.
I live in canada.
I get netflix.
Fate/Zero's on there.
Stop being a child.
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Anime isn't like Manga or comics, it's an audio visual medium, that's why I detest people who bitch about dubs. If I'm reading I'm not watching, that means I'm not getting all the content as intended. Every time someone bitches about dubbing I want to force them to watch excel saga. Keep up with it, I dare you guys to remember it all watching in Japanese.
I'm glad they are giving it another go, but I can't bring myself to care without a valid reason to.
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You mean you can't observe the entire picture at once? Read and observe?
Wow, you deserve your dubs. Enjoy Wendee Lee.
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Well, I get not wanting to pay for the entire service just for one show. But, if there's no other choice left, and it's easily available to you, might as well try. And, who knows, there might be another show there that you could like so that the service doesn't go to waste.
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There's nothing Kaiza, I checked. Not paying eight bucks or so for one show. Especially because they recast saber again (fact is the original FSN dub had good actors in the cast. Jamieson Price Mela Lee and Liam o Brian to name a few) and fucked it up, again.
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There's nothing Kaiza, I checked. Not paying eight bucks or so for one show.
Wouldn't you be paying that sort of money for a DVD anyway?
In any case, I wouldn't expect the HF movie to be streamed in that way, since it's a movie. That is more likely to get a DVD release. The UBW anime will probably be streamed, though.
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Honestly, I'm interested to see what they add to the anime. I would expect a bunch of Saber development to be added, simply because they're not doing a Fate anime, but I do wonder what if anything they'll do about Sakura. They obviously don't want to overshadow HF but, at the same time, Sakura is Rin's sister, and the fact that many people will come to this anime straight from Zero means that their relationship will be common knowledge (unlike when playing through the VN).
As a result, ignoring Sakura is likely to be somewhat unsatisfactory as regards Rin's character development. But, at the same time, actually resolving her situation is difficult without making HF look pointlessly overblown. So, I do wonder what they'll do there.
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Considering Heaven's Feel route is getting a movie(s), I have a feeling they want to focus on Rin/Saber in UBW anime, which is entirely reasonable, and put just that much more effort into Sakura/Rider in the movie.
I don't think they'll leave Sakura out of the anime, though, Mike.
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Considering Heaven's Feel route is getting a movie(s), I have a feeling they want to focus on Rin/Saber in UBW anime, which is entirely reasonable, and put just that much more effort into Sakura/Rider in the movie.
Well, yeah, most likely. But, the fact that many people will come into it from Zero might force them to take at least some account of Sakura's situation.
I don't think they'll leave Sakura out of the anime, though, Mike.
Well, I'm sure she'll show up, but if it's a pure UBW adaptation then she will have a very small role. The question is whether they'll add anything to that, and if so what.
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Probably enough - or more than enough - to satisfy the curiosity of those who started with Zero until the movie(s)? Not sure. From what I understand, there's a possibility of it being more than one movie, like they did with KnK - possibility being the key word.
Personally, I look forward to HF movie because it means Shirou + Rider team up against Saber Alter. :3c
(Well, more Bellerophon + Rho Aias vs Alter Excaliblast, but either way.)
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Probably enough - or more than enough - to satisfy the curiosity of those who started with Zero until the movie(s)? Not sure.
Well, the problem is that the UBW end really does suck for Sakura if you think about it too much. Playing through the VN you kind-of don't notice it, but I can see people who came from Zero picking up on that and not being too pleased about it. Plus, Sakura is Rin's sister, which means she's kind-of part of Rin's character. Again, the VN ignored that because it wasn't known by the reader at the time, but with the anime that won't be the case.
From what I understand, there's a possibility of it being more than one movie, like they did with KnK - possibility being the key word.
I really, really hope it's not just one movie. Honestly, if it's just one movie I think I just won't even bother watching it (unless the movie in question is about 6 hours long), because it's just going to be an incoherent patchwork of fight scenes without proper characterisation, like the UBW movie was.
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We'll just have to see how they handle it and hope for the best, I suppose.
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I'm of the side that hopes for at least two movies for HF. But, who knows; maybe even if they don't focus much on Sakura in the anime, they may at least leave some set-up for the movie.
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I think that the HF movie needs to stand alone, honestly. They can't assume everyone will have watched and remember the UBW anime when watching it. And, even if you did set up some of the Sakura stuff in the UBW anime, I don't think that would cut very much time out of the HF movie, because the situation is totally different.
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I meant more on the "Hmm, this seems interesting. I wonder if they'll go in depth with this in the movie" kind of set-up rather than "I MUST see this to understand the movie!".
And that was more about giving Sakura more role in the story than cutting from the movie (again, I'm of the people who'd want more than one movie for it)
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For UBW:
(http://safebooru.org//images/1231/28650e3536dabc320aec312c2c8eea09724c5b22.jpg)
Also, have some HF goodness! XD
(http://safebooru.org//images/1232/b803a4753c16f595cbf229529dbd6073139489f7.jpg)
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Uh...can't see the images.
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It's because they're hotlinked directly from the anime's site itself. I'd just upload onto imgur or link from safebooru. I can edit in working images if you're ok with that.
EDIT: Eh, I'll go ahead and fix them.
EDIT 2: And fixed. They should be visible now.
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I meant more on the "Hmm, this seems interesting. I wonder if they'll go in depth with this in the movie" kind of set-up rather than "I MUST see this to understand the movie!".
Well, it's possible. I'm not sure they need to use the anime to advertise the movie, though, I think Zero probably covers that as far as Sakura is concerned.
And that was more about giving Sakura more role in the story than cutting from the movie (again, I'm of the people who'd want more than one movie for it)
Well, giving Sakura more role in the story for UBW would be good, but it's also quite hard to do without substantial changes, which are unlikely given the existence of the HF movie. So, it's a question of whether they want to attempt to add more and, if so, what they add.
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FUCK YEAH HF!
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Yeah, it's good that they're finally doing a HF adaptation. I just hope it's more than one movie.
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Would it be worth splitting the discussions for each project into separate threads, or is it as well to keep them both together for the time being?
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Would it be worth splitting the discussions for each project into separate threads, or is it as well to keep them both together for the time being?
It might well be worth splitting it, yeah. The two are pretty distinct in concept, there's no real reason they should be in the same place.
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Already done. Links to the respective threads:
Unlimited Blade Works (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,465.0.html)
Heaven's Feel (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,466.new.html#new)
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Separate threads would be good when they get released, till then I'd say together is best.
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Too late. Anyway, locking the thread, since it doesn't serve much purpose at this point.