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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread

« on: October 17, 2013, 12:53:26 AM »

I think that they were pretty nasty, and that Dead Apostles were basically humans they'd captured and kept as slaves for feeding on.

AFAIK, that was an emergency solution that they never would have done otherwise (drinking the blood of a Dead Apostle won't drive a True Ancestor insane).  After the Dead Apostles rebelled, they decided to create Arcueid to destroy those of their kind who became Demon Lords (those who drank the blood of Humans and went insane as a result).  Afterwards, those who were left simply decided to sleep rather than lose control.

I also believe that Arc ended up killing the lot of them....

Only because she went temporarily insane after drinking Roa's blood.

Heh...here's a brief play on words from H.P. Lovecraft:

"In the Millennium Castle great Arcueid sleeps and dreams."

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread

« on: October 17, 2013, 12:16:09 AM »

Also, weren't the True Ancestors mostly dicks?

No, those are the Dead Apostles.  The only True Ancestor ever portrayed is Arcueid, and if we take her as an example of their kind, they're very different from the Dead Apostles.  For one thing, the True Ancestors would sooner seal themselves away for eternity in their Marble Phantasms rather than succumb to the desire to drink blood and go insane.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread

« on: October 16, 2013, 11:53:57 PM »

Yeah, honestly, I have no idea what would happen in such a situation. I know nothing about Atlas....

Just that even the proudest and most self-centered magi from the Clock Tower and even the most zealous priests know better than to take advantage of Atlas.

Moving on, is there any chance for the True Ancestors to return?  They seem much better people than the Dead Apostles; from what I gather, the True Ancestors seemed to have been highly-respected (or Arcueid was because of her connection with Zelretch) in their time whereas the Dead Apostles are viewed with hate by magi.

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Fan Clubs / Re: Millennium Castle Brunestud -Arcueid Fan Club-

« on: October 16, 2013, 04:07:24 PM »

No, I suppose not.  Personally, I find them even more unnatural than we Humans and our ability and willingness to steadily destroy the planet for our own selfish needs so it's a wonder Gaia/Alaya doesn't go after them.  But I digress...

Moving on, with Arcueid sealed, won't there be a need for new True Ancestors eventually?

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Fan Clubs / Re: Millennium Castle Brunestud -Arcueid Fan Club-

« on: October 16, 2013, 03:12:59 PM »

Arcueid won't be back in her true ending because that defies its own purpose.

That sucks...both the most beautiful woman in the Nasuverse and the last of the True Ancestors is gone forever.

And there wouldn't have any reasons for Gaia to create moreTrue Ancestors since Arcueid already does their job just fine.

Yeah, except she's sealed herself in her Marble Phantasm, and the Dead Apostles stink at their job.  Or rather, they stink at being the True Ancestors' substitutes; from what I gather, the True Ancestors were highly-respected in their time, much more so than the Dead Apostles, who appear to be viewed with hate by the magi.

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Fan Clubs / Re: Millennium Castle Brunestud -Arcueid Fan Club-

« on: October 16, 2013, 12:03:51 PM »

The Arcueid route is the canon for Tsukihime, isn't it?  If so, is there a chance for her to come back?  IIRC, she did say she was going to sleep forever.  And will her people - the True Ancestors - ever return to the world?  They seem so much nicer than the Dead Apostles.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread

« on: October 16, 2013, 11:56:50 AM »

She could probably blindside the Clock Tower...but Atlas would probably predict her coming (although whether or not they actually warn the Clock Tower is up in the air).  In addition to overseeing the general development of alchemy, Atlas also predicts and develops countermeasures against threats to Humanity (why else would they build such powerful weapons and seal them away).

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread

« on: October 16, 2013, 12:16:24 AM »

Well, I guess.

But, then, if Dark Sakura were around somehow (not entirely sure how it would happen, mind you...), I suspect she'd have already gone after the Association. And, I'm honestly not sure they could do much against her. Especially not if she had Dark Saber, and possibly Rider too.

Lorelei Barthomeloi's background has her among the few Humans capable of taking on a Servant in equal terms.  And the Clock Tower only represents a third of the Association.  Even if Dark Sakura can handle the Clock Tower, I doubt she could defeat Atlas.  They develop fearsome superweapons as a counter against the eventual end of the world - and it's implied they foresaw the world of Notes, seeing as the character Gun God in Notes actually wields a weapon recovered from the ruins of Atlas which was capable of killing a Type (I think it was either Type-Venus or Type-Saturn) in one shot.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread

« on: October 15, 2013, 02:40:32 AM »

No, they don't trust him.  But, AFAIK, they have been known to contract him to eliminate individuals they cannot move against openly, and they do respect his reputation.  And even if they won't accept his allegations against the Makiri, they will investigate anything or anyone that he cannot handle on his own.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread

« on: October 15, 2013, 01:44:44 AM »

However, I'm not so sure he could kill Dark Sakura. She is exceptionally powerful, after all. Certainly if he got anywhere near her and she saw him she would kill him easily.

Considering how ruthless he is, he might tip the Clock Tower or the Holy Church off.  Sakura could probably kill line Enforcers/Executors with ease, but if the Burial Agency or, Heaven forbid, Barthomeloi Lorelei gets involved, she'll probably get crushed like a bug.  Or worse, get a Sealing Designation or entombed by the Church.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread

« on: October 14, 2013, 11:22:22 AM »

So...how?  His usual MO: pound her with ordnance until all her circuits are active followed by an Origin Bullet between the eyes?

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Fanfiction / Re: Clash of Civilizations

« on: October 14, 2013, 11:17:51 AM »

Yeah, it's crossed with Seed.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread

« on: October 14, 2013, 11:15:30 AM »

Pre-Fourth War.

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General Discussion / Re: personal canon

« on: October 14, 2013, 11:15:06 AM »

Yeah, UBW!Shiro kinda follows the Neutral Route of SMT.  He doesn't really lean much either way, as his ideals serve as a mere guide as opposed to Fate!Shiro's innocent idealism or to the determined but broken HF! Shiro.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread

« on: October 14, 2013, 06:22:31 AM »

Well here's an interesting question that just came to mind: if Kiritsugu at the height of his power faced off against Dark Sakura, could he live up to his reputation as the 'Magus Killer'?