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Doujin Projects / Re: Dark Side of the Moon, a collaborative story project (original fiction version)

« on: May 04, 2013, 12:48:07 AM »

Well, yeah, and I have a PhD in Astrophysics. So, sci-fi is an area where I really do tend to notice the flaws in physics....

Oh definitely. Especially since you have such a heavy background in it.

But this particular thing has bothered me since high school. And yet other people really don't catch that despite it being high school level Biology, I'm not sure why. At least Pokemon Adventures gets it right.

Maybe he was supposed to be a clone, but they decided to "improve" him to make him the strongest Pokemon. That, or a failed attempt that ended up being better.

Yeah, that's a pretty good take on it and perhaps even the general thought behind it. The problem is that they continue to call him a "clone" despite him clearly not being even close to an exact genetic copy- even if all those changes were done via millions of mutations rather than inserting human DNA like I suspect they did or are shown to have done in Adventures, he'd still wouldn't be referred to as a clone due to their being way too many differences between Mew and Mewtwo. In order to still be properly called a clone, the number of mutations would have to be very minimal, such as some color differences for example. ...I am very nitpicky on this subject you see. ^_^"

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Doujin Projects / Re: Dark Side of the Moon, a collaborative story project (original fiction version)

« on: May 04, 2013, 12:29:19 AM »

Yeah, this is what I was expecting we would go for in this instance. Like I said, as long as it is consistent and makes logical sense, I don't object to it. What I dislike is stuff where the science is all over the place....

Yeah, I can empathize with that. It's not really a case of the science being all over the place, but a minor sticking point for me in the Pokemon anime for example is the usage of the word "clone" with Mewtwo. He's not a clone. He's a hybrid. Otherwise he'd look just like Mew. Aaaah.

But enough about that, yeah, something like KAIZA suggested is definitely the general idea. It'd help explain if we had magic show up at any time for example, so long as the magic has consistent rules and logic to it as well.

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Doujin Projects / Re: Dark Side of the Moon, a collaborative story project (original fiction version)

« on: May 04, 2013, 12:12:51 AM »

i'd want to avoid the vr fantasy idea, it's an immersion killer imo and very overused, I could name a hundred scifi "fantasy" stories that use vr as a cheat.

as for my pitch it was a really general mash up idea so no loss

Eh, not really, at least in my opinion- really, it depends on how you use it. Take Fate/Extra or CCC for example. Both of those work really well despite occurring almost entirely inside the virtual reality of the Moon Cell. I never felt like I lost my sense of immersion in Fate/Extra for example even when the game revealed or showed things going on in the world outside the Moon Cell.

Really, it depends on how well you implement it and how well you write the story. Plus there's a lot of possibilities to be had from it. Compare this with something like elves and dwarves, which are fairly rigid concepts that don't afford much variation for the most part (especially the latter) that have also been done to death thanks to the strength of Tolkien's influence on the fantasy genre.

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Doujin Projects / Re: Dark Side of the Moon, a collaborative story project (original fiction version)

« on: May 03, 2013, 11:49:26 PM »

Well, in my case, at least, I tend to want the basic framework to be consistent. Even if the laws of physics in the universe we're using aren't precisely the same as in our own, I would like them to make sense. Which does make soft sci-fi hard to do, because that tends to ignore things like consistency, and I do not like that.

Something closer to our own reality with the fantasy elements interwoven may work best then. Alternatively, the more fantasy-ish things could take place in an alternate reality or in virtual reality.

Either way though, a fantasy setting also needs some form of consistency in order to work well, otherwise it just seems random. So having it make sense is a requirement to make it work not only as a sci-fi story, but a fantasy one as well.

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Doujin Projects / Re: Dark Side of the Moon, a collaborative story project (original fiction version)

« on: May 03, 2013, 11:42:35 PM »

checks and balances are what it needs true, but before we go further I'd like to hear Alice's impressions first, does it some like a good idea Alice?

Hmm... to be honest, I don't like it very much. The elves and dwarves just seem shoved in there to make it seem more fantasy-ish. To make it fantasy, we don't really need any of the stereotypical elements so much as we need some form of magic or supernatural elements. Sci fi and fantasy can actually blend together pretty well if you're careful about it, though the problem is that there's a chance you may be somewhat limited to much softer sci fi thanks to the fantasy elements. Something like Fate/Extra would be a good example of this. Star Wars is as well. Even something like Pokemon fits to an extent. So I think it's better if we're going this route not to go by what's expected from a fantasy or sci fi story and go with wherever our ideas take us, so long as they at least vaguely fit into the categories.

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General Discussion / Re: Fate/Extra CCC

« on: May 03, 2013, 11:31:00 PM »

Well, that BB stuff does seem rather amusing, although IIRC she does have a nastier side to her (as demonstrated by the torture chambers where she rips out the circuits of masters...).

But of course; that's part of what makes her so interesting. Though I just listened to the song that plays while the BB channel segments play, and it's really kinda creepy. So I think they were trying to set up that sort of surreal juxtaposition of funny/disturbing on purpose with her.

[Spoiler]

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General Discussion / Re: Fate/Extra CCC

« on: May 02, 2013, 07:47:15 AM »

So how 'bout that CCC!



I honestly did not tamper with that picture in any way- that is an honest to god screenshot. I've been playing through this thing despite my lack of knowledge of Japanese, and well... honestly despite my lack of understanding of the language and a sad inability to hear the voices at the moment, I'm surprised by how interested I am in BB at this point. I didn't think I really would be, but I am. Granted, I'm not even past Rani's chapter yet, but...

Spoiler for Somewhat minor spoilers for the game! Read at your own risk!:

She's actually really amusing to watch. I'm not kidding. And it gives her a lot of charm. I was expecting zaniness, but not quite so much from BB herself, more from the antics of everybody else up until things start getting dark. I have various screenshots of the BB Channel that I took, but they don't do it justice. And that's even without voices or music. It has to be seen in motion. It just does. And it just keeps getting weirder and weirder. She makes a hole appear right underneath freaking Robin Hood and he falls down it like he were in some kind of cartoon. She's like a Sakura shaped Bugs Bunny or something. ...Though I'm likely missing out on something by not knowing how to read moon runes. Just saying.

So yeah.

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Doujin Projects / Re: Dark Side of the Moon, a collaborative story project (original fiction version)

« on: May 01, 2013, 10:37:08 PM »

you have a point Alice and i agree however commenting on the idea of adventure as a genre, fun to read but it's Indiana jones in practice and i don't think we have chops to hit the bar on that one.

I was just using it as an example.  While an Adventure tale would be fun, probably the previous genres I mentioned a preference for (Urban Fantasy and/or Fantasy) would be easier to work with.  Again, it all comes down to what the people ask for in the end.

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Doujin Projects / Re: dark side of the moon, a fourm original story project

« on: May 01, 2013, 10:12:09 PM »

There, title changed. I specified original fiction in the title in order to differentiate this project from anything we do later that creates a universe based around the forum and its users.

Well, perhaps, but I really liked what we did before....

I'm much more fond of sci-fi, and it also allows me to get a lot more involved.

I can understand that. However, if this is truly to be a collaborative project, we need more than the three of us saying what we want out of this story. So in the end the story could be in any of the genres previously mentioned, or even an entirely different genre altogether, like Adventure or something. I was just throwing in my two cents in terms of what genre I would personally prefer, naturally it doesn't have to go that way at all so long as the majority wants something different. So really what I want is more for people to pitch in their opinions on where they want the story to go before we set a genre in stone for sure.

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Doujin Projects / Re: dark side of the moon, a fourm original story project

« on: May 01, 2013, 09:44:32 PM »

To be honest, despite the hard work that was put into past ideas, I think that starting out completely fresh and new is a good idea. New ideas for new beginnings, that sort of thing. So it's not so much a matter of disrespecting previous efforts so much as a desire for a clean slate.

I like urban fantasy or fantasy-ish stuff myself, but I'll let more input be put in in terms of genre before we start. Speaking of which, I think that more people should say stuff about the desired genre of this before we commit to anything.

Also, to lantz, do you mind if I clean up the thread title a bit so it stands out a bit better?

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Fan Clubs / Re: Cherry Blossom Club

« on: April 29, 2013, 01:19:51 AM »

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Secret Garden / Re: Weird, Bizzare, and Interesting Personality Quizzes

« on: April 26, 2013, 12:30:21 AM »

Well, I've looked at it, but I honestly can't give any reasonable answer to about 3/4 of the questions (mainly because they all assume the existence of a hypothetical partner)....

Although, having tried my best effort, I also got Opportunist Seme....

I had a couple I couldn't really answer accurately either since the answers were so off the wall for the most part. ^_^" Opportunist Seme seems to be the "average person who's not generally submissive" result as far as I can tell. 

BTW, like I mentioned in the OP, if anybody finds any cool, weird, or interesting quizzes they'd like to share, feel free to do so.

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Real World Topics / People Love Robots

« on: April 25, 2013, 08:20:51 AM »

It seems that robots are capable of initiating the same responses in terms of making us care about them these days as other humans do, at least according to this article:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130423091111.htm

I blame making so many of them so cute.

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Secret Garden / Weird, Bizzare, and Interesting Personality Quizzes

« on: April 25, 2013, 08:08:03 AM »

So yeah, this is where we post random interesting and bizarre personality quizzes, take them, and compare and contrast results on said quizzes.


I'll start with a bit of a weird one. So I've been lurking an otome game forum. In their General Discussion area, I found a thread about this quiz, which I had to google to find oddly enough because the OP of that thread didn't actually link it. 

http://www.semeuke.com/quiz.php So yeah, it's this thing. This thing right here. It is a strange thing to me at least, as these stereotypes just seem so over the top for the most part. Since I'm not really into Boy's Love, I can't tell whether these stereotypes as they appear in this quiz are actually accurate to the genre or not. I don't think they are this over the top, but I'm not the best one to judge that either. If anyone is more familiar than I am with this sort of thing, could you possibly expand on that for me?

This is what I got from taking it...or at least from taking it tonight anyway, I've gotten a different result the previous few times I've taken this:

You are a Don't Fuck With Me Seme!
Serious and to the point, and sometimes bordering on the sadistic, it takes a special breed of uke to satisfy your needs. You tend to be anti-social with little patience for most people. You need someone to challenge you and push you to your limits, and then be able to take your intense reactions, which possibly involves rope and sensual torture. This is what makes the Badass Uke the yin for your yang, as you're the only one able to put them in line and satisfy each other.
Most compatible with: Badass Uke
Least compatible with: Dramatic Uke, Innocent Uke, Clueless Uke
...Maybe I was just grouchy from being tired when I took this this time. ^_^" Normally I get this:

You are a Opportunist Seme!
Preying on the clueless is what you're all about. You really don't intend to hurt anyone, but if a bit of harmless manipulation can get you what you want, you're not beyond taking a little advantage of someone, which you figure is an even exchange for your companionship anyway. Not one for lots of drama, you are best paired with the Clueless Uke, who will appreciate your attention and never bat an eye at your slightly sneaky ways.
Most compatible with: Clueless Uke, Innocent Uke
Least compatible with: Badass Uke

So either I'm bitchy or relatively normal (albeit manipulative) apparently. ...I am a boring person.

 So yeah, any of you guys willing to take the plunge and find out what fujoshi think your personality falls into? 

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General Discussion / Re: Fate/Extra CCC

« on: April 24, 2013, 06:18:29 AM »

To be fair, the dynamic Gil's got going with the protagonist (same goes for either gender of protagonist from what I gathered but that could be inaccurate when it comes to fine details and brass tacks) is entirely different from what the other playable Servants have. If you can stomach, or hell, find fascinating even, working under/alongside a being who can squash you into paste like the bug you comparatively are to him - a fact he frequently reminds the player of early on in gameplay - then its worth your time. It adds an element or atmosphere of unease and danger, and that does wonders to immersion.

Whereas the other Servants are already kinda already in "high love-love points mode". 

The recent Gil wank that this has led to is simultaneously frustrating and hilarious and mindboggling/eyeopening. Really hits home that his position as the so-dubbed King of Carelessness is what really results in any of his losses. Nasu's trollocity is strong as ever, especially when you consider that it's now all most def canon.

Pretty much this. And Melty's pretty cool. The flatness may not be my thing, but it's not really off-putting for me at all either (Passion Lip's boobs though... ).

And as for the myth errors, yeah, like Cherry Lover mentioned, besides the lack of knowledge in some spots a lot of it is artistic license. Really, even if he knew the Arthurian legends, stories and retellings completely backwards and forwards in addition to all the other myths he pulls from, he would still have to pull some changes to make it work in terms of the storytelling.  Plus this is far from the only franchise to distill and alter myths like this, not by a long shot. Hell, I'd say quite a few have done quite a bit worse at it. Or at least were... very creative with their interpretation. Final Fantasy's interpretation of Gil for example. Nasu's take is far closer to the actual Epic than that at least.

But yeah, in terms of getting around any potential Goldie wankage, you just gotta remember that he is indeed the King of Carelessness. As long as you got the appropriate counter handy (see the Faker) or if you have someone handy with a good enough strategy and enough power to go toe to toe with him, it's possible for him to go down.