Fanfic ideas thread

[lantzblades]

Ok, whatever

[Cherry Lover]

Well, any more comments?

[lantzblades]

Not really I find karya surviving without any changes to canon implausible and you seem to be set on shirou having no change

[Cherry Lover]

Not really I find karya surviving without any changes to canon implausible and you seem to be set on shirou having no change

I never said there wouldn't be changes to canon. Sakura certainly wouldn't be visiting Shirou's, for example, and neither would either girl have the same crush on him that they have in canon (because that came fundamentally from how unhappy they were with their lives). I just don't think Kiritsugu would tell Shirou to keep away from the Tohsakas.

In canon he deliberately avoided telling Shirou anything, in the hope that he'd just forget about magic and move on. I see no reason for it to be any different here, particularly since the Tohsaka family head died in the Grail War. Kariya might be around, yes, but he's not the head of the Tohsaka family, and the Second Owner of Fuyuki is still Rin.

[lantzblades]

First off the owner would be Aoi, not Rin, secondly if he wanted Shirou to learn nothing as you claim the he would know nothing at the start of fsn which is clearly untrue and furthermore itf he wanted as you claim that gives him more reason to tell him to stay away from the tohsaka family

[Cherry Lover]

First off the owner would be Aoi, not Rin

No she wouldn't, any more than the Queen Mother was the head of state before she died. Rin is the head of the Tohsaka family, Aoi is just someone who married into it.

secondly if he wanted Shirou to learn nothing as you claim the he would know nothing at the start of fsn which is clearly untrue

Yes but, equally, if he wanted him to know about the Grail War and so forth he would have told him. He very deliberately kept the whole thing secret from Shirou.

furthermore itf he wanted as you claim that gives him more reason to tell him to stay away from the tohsaka family

Yes, but he doesn't do so in canon, so why would he here?

[lantzblades]

The tohsaka family is one little girl in canon, such is not the same here  as for the grail war far as I recall he thought he ended it so there is no reason to tell shirou any thing.

[Cherry Lover]

The tohsaka family is one little girl in canon, such is not the same here

Well, technically it is the same. The only difference is that Rin's legal guardian is Aoi rather than Kotomine, which is hardly a bad thing from Kiritsugu's viewpoint.

Obviously, there is a massive difference from a human viewpoint, but from a magical viewpoint little has changed.

as for the grail war far as I recall he thought he ended it so there is no reason to tell shirou any thing.

Yeah, but wouldn't that also apply here?

[lantzblades]

Partly but not completely, I think he would honestly be more cautious here

[Cherry Lover]

Partly but not completely, I think he would honestly be more cautious here

Possibly, but not to the extent of saying "don't talk to the Tohsakas". Even if he was being cautious, the best move is for Shirou to be close friends with them rather than for him to hide himself from them and just hope they don't notice him doing magic.

[lantzblades]

Erm no, that is a terrible idea that would put him in more danger

[Cherry Lover]

Erm no, that is a terrible idea that would put him in more danger

I am not convinced. And, even if that is so, I do not think it makes sense for Kiritsugu to tell him to keep away. At most he would warn him to be wary of letting them find out about his magic.

[lantzblades]

If you aren't friends then they have no reason to show up and find out

[Cherry Lover]

If you aren't friends then they have no reason to show up and find out

Perhaps, but that's not quite the same as "avoid them at all costs". Kiritsugu doesn't know what situation they'll be in, and he also would rather avoid letting Shirou know about the world of magic in any detail. I mean, if he didn't warn Shirou about Kotomine, who was far more of a danger than Rin would be, then why would he warn him about her?

[lantzblades]

I believe the implication is that kiritsugu believed kirei dead