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[Arch-Magos Winter]

Yeah, basically we all accepted that Toshi's actions looked pretty dubious anyway, so no-one was really surprised at him being called-out for them, and none of us really bothered to go back and check what was actually said, because that's too much effort.

What we actually do about it, though, I'm not sure. I don't think we can decree that Toshi heard it without Lantz accepting that, it makes Toshi's action look extremely foolish and makes his following explanations non-sensical, but I'm not sure how to explain him not doing so.

We can explain it through Toshi being really really thick.

He hasn't given us any evidence to the contrary to this being the truth.

[Cherry Lover]

We can explain it through Toshi being really really thick.

He hasn't given us any evidence to the contrary to this being the truth.

No, Magos, you don't get to dictate Toshi's characterisation on Lantz's behalf. The only person who can do that is Lantz, through what he writes. You are free to interpret that writing in whatever manner you like, but you cannot force Lantz to adhere to that interpretation.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

I know, but that's how I'm fluffing it whatever his explanation.

[YOLF]

Erm, Mike, I think Magos is just saying that's how his characters would interpret it. Or how he would interpret Toshi's character if he had been there.

[Cherry Lover]

Well, Magos' characters have no possible way to know if Toshi did or did not hear anything Tom said. Hell, they weren't even in the room at the time, so Magos has precisely zero IC reason to be involved in this.

The fact is, if Toshi didn't hear it then he didn't hear it, full stop. That isn't a matter of him being "thick", that's a matter of him not hearing it. Even the smartest person in the world still can't act on information they don't have.

Admittedly, there are plenty of other reasons why Toshi should have thought twice before healing the guy, but none of them are anything like as blatant as "he heard what Tom said".

[Alice]

To be honest, part of the reason I didn't realize no one had picked up on the fact that I meant Tom to be talking to everyone about that was because I did honestly think Toshi was thick enough to miss that. ...So honestly, it's a fair interpretation. ^^"

 This is where tell verses show is really important. We've never been shown Toshi is really that intelligent, just told. A number of his traits are informed (as told to us by lantz himself along with his own characters) rather than actually shown to us.

Basically, what Magos is saying is that he's going off of Toshi's actions to determine this aspect of Toshi's character.

[Cherry Lover]

Sure, and that's fine. But what we can't do is say "well, Toshi just didn't take notice because he's thick", because that is not a decision for us to make. If Lantz makes a mistake he has to deal with that, but in this case he didn't really do anything wrong (with regards to not realising Tom was speaking to him), so he shouldn't have to make such a dramatic change in his own personal characterisation to cope with that.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Sure, and that's fine. But what we can't do is say "well, Toshi just didn't take notice because he's thick", because that is not a decision for us to make. If Lantz makes a mistake he has to deal with that, but in this case he didn't really do anything wrong (with regards to not realising Tom was speaking to him), so he shouldn't have to make such a dramatic change in his own personal characterisation to cope with that.

The problem is that the characterization he's shown in the RP has been so fucking different than the one on his shet. It's really kinda funny, just how little Lantz can keep his own character  in character.

[Daiki]

Man, Chiyo looks promising. x)

[Aiden]

Man, Chiyo looks promising. x)

Ossu!

[Ivan The Mouse]

And no one's running into my characters yet, haha.

;_;

[Mooncake]

Daiki did - didn't he want to buy your weapons?

Also, now that there is no chuuni GM self insert character here, perhaps a certain hot-tempered sorcerer and his half-fey friend/rival/love interest (?) might be showing up. >.>

[Cherry Lover]

GM self-insert character?

[Mooncake]

'S a bit of a tale, but basically YOLF, Ivan, and I were involved in an RP that had a GM character that was less than one step away from duel-wielding katanas. I ended up abandoning YOLF in the tangent we were in (sorry, man ) and getting out because the GM was so irritating.

[lantzblades]

As far as I was aware Tom wasn't addressing him. So he didn't hear it, simple as that.