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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2013, 04:46:37 PM »
I do not think she had that many options though, especially as a King back then. Such ages were different and of course the modern ages are entirely different. And she is an idealist pretty much.

I honestly don't buy that argument. She was the king, of course she had options. I understand not wanting to break the law to favour herself, but in the case of Lancelot and Guineviere the law was only there to protect the king in the first place. It's utter nonsense to say that the king cannot grant clemency in such a situation, plenty of others did so.

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Acceptable. Very popular characters can also annoy me, especially when people care only about them.

Yeah, for me the problem is the proliferation of Saber-centric fanfics and, even, official stories and art, at the expense of other characters (it particularly pisses me off when people do things like drawings or merchandise of main heroines and just include Rin and Saber, just include Saber or, worse, include Saber, Rin and Ilya). Particularly since Sakura's situation is such that just leaving her out implies a bad ending on her part.

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I believe part of why Sakura is the least popular out of Saber and Rin is because she is not a 'fighter' (except when she goes all yandere in HF) and because she is quite ignored in the first two routes.

Yeah, I think that's a fair point (although I dispute the assertion that HF Sakura is a Yandere), although I think she is a fighter, just not in that manner. And, honestly, she doesn't get any option. If she tries to fight she can only make things worse, due to Zouken's control over her.

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It focused a lot on her relationship with Shirou and sadly her route wasn't that exciting.

Well, it focussed on her as a character too. I would agree the route was less exciting, though.

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Also, as a reader, you were expected to have knowledge of Arthur's legend. It would be good enough if they could add part of her background in the route.

Yeah, perhaps. I never really noticed that aspect since, as a British person, I have grown up with the legend and was already very familiar with it before I even read FSN.

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I have noticed though that people like to put mainstream characters in their favorites, for example Lelouch, Light, etc. Perhaps that gives them some sort of image that they are fond of 'good' characters, even if majority of those characters are overrated.

Well, it's hard to say, really. Perhaps those characters are liked because people see them so much they grow fond of them, perhaps they're liked to keep up an image, or perhaps they're liked because they're just characters who fit with what the viewers want to see. It's almost impossible to distinguish.

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It is. Or they like a x character because he/she has a lot of merchandise that they can purchase.

That seems like putting the cart before the horse to me. I mean, you don't have to like a character in order to purchase merchandise of them.
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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2013, 08:17:32 AM »

I honestly don't buy that argument. She was the king, of course she had options. I understand not wanting to break the law to favour herself, but in the case of Lancelot and Guineviere the law was only there to protect the king in the first place. It's utter nonsense to say that the king cannot grant clemency in such a situation, plenty of others did so.

Just because someone becomes a King, you think it is always up to him? Of course there are people around Kings that can manipulate them. And there are times where Kings have to tolerate certain situations. Arturia was quite young back then also, she could not have a full judgment.

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Yeah, I think that's a fair point (although I dispute the assertion that HF Sakura is a Yandere), although I think she is a fighter, just not in that manner. And, honestly, she doesn't get any option. If she tries to fight she can only make things worse, due to Zouken's control over her.

She was enough. Either way, just to know, she is my least likable female in F/SN.

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Well, it focussed on her as a character too. I would agree the route was less exciting, though.

It did but not to the point of exploring her background.

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Yeah, perhaps. I never really noticed that aspect since, as a British person, I have grown up with the legend and was already very familiar with it before I even read FSN.

Not everyone can be British, however.


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That seems like putting the cart before the horse to me. I mean, you don't have to like a character in order to purchase merchandise of them.

Are you serious? To me, it is wasted money and a foolish thing to do. I only buy merchandise (mainly figures) of characters I do like.

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2013, 01:23:51 PM »
Just because someone becomes a King, you think it is always up to him? Of course there are people around Kings that can manipulate them. And there are times where Kings have to tolerate certain situations. Arturia was quite young back then also, she could not have a full judgment.

The King certainly has the option to grant a pardon, yes. That has always been the case.

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Yeah, I think that's a fair point (although I dispute the assertion that HF Sakura is a Yandere), although I think she is a fighter, just not in that manner. And, honestly, she doesn't get any option. If she tries to fight she can only make things worse, due to Zouken's control over her.

She was enough. Either way, just to know, she is my least likable female in F/SN.

She's nothing like a Yandere. She spends most of HF feeling like she's not worthy for Shirou at all and just wanting to make sure he's happy, and when she turns Dark she barely cares about him at all.

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Yeah, perhaps. I never really noticed that aspect since, as a British person, I have grown up with the legend and was already very familiar with it before I even read FSN.

Not everyone can be British, however.

Yeah, sure. I was just saying I never thought of it before because, to me, it was always obvious.

Although, honestly, if Japanese people could cope with it then it's probably not all that bad. I doubt the legend of King Arthur is particularly well-known over there either....

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That seems like putting the cart before the horse to me. I mean, you don't have to like a character in order to purchase merchandise of them.

Are you serious? To me, it is wasted money and a foolish thing to do. I only buy merchandise (mainly figures) of characters I do like.

No, I am the same, I don't buy mechandise of characters I'm not interested in.

However, to me, it seems utterly idiotic to decide that you like a character solely in order that you can buy merchandise of them. If you're going to do that, then why not just buy the merchandise anyway?

I don't see how pretending to like a character to buy merchandise of them is a more sensible choice than buying merchandise of characters you don't like.

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2013, 09:42:37 PM »
The King certainly has the option to grant a pardon, yes. That has always been the case.

Depending the situation.

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She's nothing like a Yandere. She spends most of HF feeling like she's not worthy for Shirou at all and just wanting to make sure he's happy, and when she turns Dark she barely cares about him at all.

And that what annoyed me out of her, acting that she is not worthy for Shirou and her jealously drama.

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Yeah, sure. I was just sying I never thought of it before because, to me, it was always obvious.

Although, honestly, if Japanese people could cope with it then it's probably not all that bad. I doubt the legend of King Arthur is particularly well-known over there either....

Who knows. I would still like for some background like that to have been added.

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No, I am the same, I don't buy mechandise of characters I'm not interested in.

However, to me, it seems utterly idiotic to decide that you like a character solely in order that you can buy merchandise of them. If you're going to do that, then why not just buy the merchandise anyway?

I don't see how pretending to like a character to buy merchandise of them is a more sensible choice than buying merchandise of characters you don't like.

I did not say it was totally necessary, I find it quite stupid though. Like I said, there are many shallow reasons of favoring characters.

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2013, 10:19:37 PM »
The King certainly has the option to grant a pardon, yes. That has always been the case.

Depending the situation.

Not really. One of the powers of the head of state in almost every country in existence is the ability to give pardons to people who are technically guilty but whom they feel don't deserve the punishment for the crime they committed. It's an important part of ensuring fairness in the legal system.

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She's nothing like a Yandere. She spends most of HF feeling like she's not worthy for Shirou at all and just wanting to make sure he's happy, and when she turns Dark she barely cares about him at all.

And that what annoyed me out of her, acting that she is not worthy for Shirou and her jealously drama.

Zouken spent the last eleven years torturing her and teaching her that she is worthless and nothing more than his puppet. If you expect her to end up thinking anything but that then you have an extremely unrealistic attitude towards abuse victims.

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Who knows. I would still like for some background like that to have been added.

Yeah, I can't really disagree with that, even if I personally wouldn't have needed it.

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I did not say it was totally necessary, I find it quite stupid though. Like I said, there are many shallow reasons of favoring characters.

Well, yeah, definitely, I'm just not sure "I can buy lots of merchandise of them" is really a common one. I suspect that "well, everyone else likes them so I'd better act as if I do to fit in" is far more common, honestly....

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2013, 03:45:52 AM »
Yeah but Mordred screwed Arthur into a corner. Can't really blame the king for losing in that case. Like Herc killing his family and such it wasn't really their fault.

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2013, 11:58:01 PM »
Well, I have to put a list then...

1. Arcueid
What can I say? She is THE perfect waifu IMO. Powerful, sexy, intelligent and comes equipped with a life full of thrill.
Seriously, she is the best heroine, tough many think that she is not that good. Yeah, she earned herself the nickname of 'airhead', but that doesn't mean she is stupid, and can very well understand her situation and of those around her.

2. Shiki Ryougi
Pretty good character, with it's ups and downs, tough very well designed. Also powerful and if you pay attention, sometimes sweet, 'dere' and lovely. You can see in her some good character development, even putting aside her obviously cheating powers.

3. Aoko
I like Aoko mostly because of her personality. Pretty open-minded and not hesitant like the others. Doesn't let others affect her decisions and does what must be done when it's needed. Pretty skilled and honest, she is one of the few characters that has appeal in the TM works. Also, being one of the Magic users gets her a place on the powerlevel chart.

4. Sakura
Tough I don't consider her the best heroine because of her doubts in her rute, she was the only one who didn't bored and bother me with it's story. I don't think Altria nor Rin have the kind of personality to endure what Sakura did, and Sakura herself at least had a reasonable motive behind her actions. Powerful and gifted, she doesn't need to rely on other people that much.

5. Nero (Takeuchi design)
Simply, Nero best Saber. First, I hate Altria (and Shirou for that matter), and even tough the two 'share' a resemblance, Nero is far more sexy, appealing and charismatic than the king of britain. She has a nice story and a personality that isn't bothersome, even if said personality was planned to be like that. Also, the red suits her.


...and some others, tough not that much. That's what I think.

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2013, 01:54:12 AM »
Well I agree with a lot of your choices but I kinda hate the back draft against Arturtia because of Nero.

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2013, 02:43:27 AM »
Well, I have to put a list then...

Well, I can't really comment on the other four, but I agree with the choice of Sakura. I'm not sure what exactly what you mean about the heroine thing, though. Do you mean you don't like pairing her up with Shirou, or do you mean that you just don't really like HF?

Well I agree with a lot of your choices but I kinda hate the back draft against Arturtia because of Nero.

I don't think that was what he was saying, though. He said he didn't like Artoria, not that he didn't like her because of Nero. Even if Nero didn't exist I think he still wouldn't like Saber....

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2013, 02:52:06 AM »
Oh yes, let me add that the Matou family is completely made of da best Masters and have unlimited gangsta prowess as a whole.

Zouken is best bad guy, cackles evilly and watches the three stooges everyday and roots for the shark in Jaws.

Shinji is best and most sexy, that coat, that overall superstar attitude and accompanying scandals.

Sakura is Best girl, cooks like a boss and fears not the worms for herself, but for those she cares for. Also has a damn good rack and child-bearing hips, damn girl.

Kariya was best photographer, sells happy Rin pictures on the black market to waifufags for easy cash like a boss and takes no shittalk from women-he-may-be-in-love-with-but-he's-not-too-sure-at-the-moment-if-they're-Aoi.

Byakuya was a drunk shinji, and drinking problems aren't cool so he's not. Also he wasn't a master, so fuck him. And nobody knows who his wife was, so whatever.

Rider is not a real Matou, but totally got killed by Shinji's previous incarnation and serves him in two out of three routes, so they're totally space-time reverse-un-remarried or something so she counts as a Matou anyway, and she's pretty cool and has a flying horse.
And everyone with a flying horse is fucking awesome. Therefore Rider is also da best even though she wasn't a master

Bottom line, Kayneth is best, Ayako is P gud, and the best masters in the 5th grail war were all of the Matou scrubs.

And those are pretty much all the characters I'd label as my favorites.

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2013, 03:33:46 AM »
Well I agree with a lot of your choices but I kinda hate the back draft against Arturtia because of Nero.
Oh, I didnt't mean that I hate Altria because of Nero. As @Cherry Lover said, even without Nero I would'nt like Altria.
Now, with that I don't try to say that Altria is a lame character nor am I denying her feats or story, I just don't like Shirou and Altria, being as pairing or individually. I don't think I can explain it well but, I just don't like them. :D

Well, I can't really comment on the other four, but I agree with the choice of Sakura. I'm not sure what exactly what you mean about the heroine thing, though. Do you mean you don't like pairing her up with Shirou, or do you mean that you just don't really like HF?
I meant that, in her route, Sakura was extremely dependant of Shirou. Now, Shirou did the right thing helping her and discarding his dream (yeah, even if he became her accomplice) only to save her. I know that many will think it's the perfect opposite of what it should be done and that HF was a sad ending for both, but I think that she at least endured all of those trials as it should be endured. She has a reasonable motive for doing what she did (technically it wasn't her fault tough) and she learned to accept her mistakes and take responsability for them

In contrast to Sakura, the other heroines seem a bit dull and only at the very end you see a character development in them. Mostly Altria, with her kingdom problems and she hesitantly wanting to admit it. For me Sakura had a better story and better development, even if things didn't end the happy way. Of course Rin and Altria had shining moments, but their personalities didn't seem well portrayed IMO; at least not what I'd expect from them given the setting of their own routes.



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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2013, 03:44:06 AM »
BTW, how do I multiquote?
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Hit the (+)quick reply button at the bottom of the page, and hit quote on the posts you want to quote. They will go to the message box, and this can happen multiple times. Afterwards, proceed as you would any post.

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2013, 10:20:25 AM »
I feel like I should answer here.

Obviously, my favorite character in TM is Archer.

He comes off as a snarky asshole, but there's a whole lot more going on under there.  Plus I'm a sucker for tragic, bitter heroes.  Oh, and it doesn't hurt that he reminds me of Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel as well. 

Then there's Rin.  She's my favorite heroine in FSN.  There was just something about her that clicked that didn't with Sakura and Saber.  I like her personality and she amuses me.  Plus she's sort of adorable as well.

Let me not forget Lancer.  See, before I even heard of FSN I was doing research for my "The Law Unto Herself Chronicles" and I was looking up Celtic lore.  Well, I came upon the Morrigan and her entanglement with the Hound of Ulster.  To see him represented made me happy.  To see that he was so awesome- his laid back personality, the Celtic bloodlust, and his interactions with other characters was icing on the cake.

Aoko is love.

Also, Gilgamesh makes me grin and I love Kotomine as well.

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2013, 11:15:26 PM »
I meant that, in her route, Sakura was extremely dependant of Shirou. Now, Shirou did the right thing helping her and discarding his dream (yeah, even if he became her accomplice) only to save her. I know that many will think it's the perfect opposite of what it should be done and that HF was a sad ending for both, but I think that she at least endured all of those trials as it should be endured. She has a reasonable motive for doing what she did (technically it wasn't her fault tough) and she learned to accept her mistakes and take responsability for them

Well, Sakura is dependant on Shirou, yes, but only because her situation basically demands it. There's nothing wrong with someone who is sick relying on the people they love. In general she's a really strong person, and I think that she would certainly be capable of standing up for herself.

I also would certainly not say Shirou acted wrongly in HF. I can see the argument for killing Sakura the second time around, if you ignore the fact that only a complete raving moron would trust Zouken's motives at that point, but I also don't think it's reasonable to expect Shirou to murder the girl he loves in cold blood whilst she's lying in bed sleeping....

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In contrast to Sakura, the other heroines seem a bit dull and only at the very end you see a character development in them. Mostly Altria, with her kingdom problems and she hesitantly wanting to admit it. For me Sakura had a better story and better development, even if things didn't end the happy way. Of course Rin and Altria had shining moments, but their personalities didn't seem well portrayed IMO; at least not what I'd expect from them given the setting of their own routes.

Well, IMO Rin gets more character development in HF than she does in UBW. Her relationship with Sakura is key to how she is as a person, and UBW necessarily cannot show that.

I wouldn't call the HF ending unhappy, though, at least not the True Ending. Whilst some bad things have happened, all the routes have bad things happen. For the main characters, at least, it's a happy ending.

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Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2014, 10:17:42 AM »
My favorite char is Tamamo

Let's see:

- a fox girl
- most challenging character to play with
- best snarking about enemy Masters