What about Archer? (Even though I would imagine that he would be pissed seeing a world where female sexual slavery was okay.)
And if Shirou summons Saber, I don't think Saber is going to take this lying down. She is going to be extremely pissed.
Sorry, just the idea of women as slaves really rubs me the wrong way. It just seems sexist and chauvinistic.
Yes, it is, which is why Shirou isn't supportative of it. Even so, though, such things do happen in real life (hell, half the American founding fathers owned slaves), so I don't see why worlds in which such things occur couldn't exist. I never claimed this was a
good system, just that it's a system that could potentially exist.
Indeed, my general idea was for Shirou to find a way to fix it by the end of the story.
Frankly, for most of history women
have been treated as little more than slaves throughout most of the world. This idea just takes it a bit further (and, as I said, it's not
only women who are slaves). Further, if you actually bothered to read what I posted, I said that most of the world would have changed the rules such that women
aren't all slaves, Japan is just a hold-out (because it justifies Rin and Sakura being enslaved). Hell, I wasn't even 100% clear with the new version on whether all women would be slaves.
As for Archer and Saber, I'm sure they wouldn't like the system, but nor does Shirou like the system. So, I don't see the problem. It's not like Shirou is abusing the girls, or that they would even
want to be free of him. They're basically just his lovers, and he doesn't treat them as slaves
at all aside from in BDSM games (which do not imply misogyny in any way, shape or form).
Also, part of what I like about ideas like this is that it allows people's real nature to come out. You don't have a government guarenteeing rights to everyone, or telling you you can't abuse people. Yet, despite the nature of the society, despite the fact that he could just rape Sakura and Rin any time, Shirou
chooses not to, and treats the girls humanely and as equals.
Also, I find the idea them being legal slaves, with no legal rights, who are treated as equals by their master and then
willingly give up some level of control in the bedroom because they
want to a very interesting one. Because in some limited way they're being treated like they're "meant" to be treated, but it's entirely consensual and limited to situations when they
want to be treated like that.
Not all worlds are perfect, and nor does me suggesting something imply I think it is a nice place to live. Enslaving girls is obviously not a good thing, but it does happen to be something that I find arousing, like I find torture arousing. Doesn't mean I want to actually
do it (at least without consent).
I love that idea and I'm inclined to agree with elf here, personally I can write a ton of canon bdsm for the hell of itor hell if it's not a huge issue I can reformat the darker arcs from swords and sorcery to fit with the bdsm the and we can drop this one.
Well, thanks a bunch. This is why I don't bother suggesting ideas....
I
really liked this idea, because it's BDSMy without being particularly dark (at least for the main characters), and I do also find the whole "sexual slavery" thing rather hot (although I certainly don't extend it outside of sexual acts, because I agree that people should be treated equally).
To me, whilst the setting itself is rather distasteful (because slavery is indeed wrong), the situation of the girls is perfectly fine. They're treated as equals by Shirou, they're in a relationship with a guy they love and they have each other. Hell, if you look at it by any reasonable measure they're considerably better off than in canon (which is an interesting irony in itself). Their legal status might be shit, but since when does legal status mean anything? It's how you're treated that matters, and Shirou will never do anything to harm them.
But, fine, if this is how my ideas get treated then I won't suggest anything else. We spent several days talking about it, I wasted a bunch of time suggesting ideas and thinking stuff up and then Elf says "I don't like it" and you drop that and go back to talking about something you
know I do not have the slightest interest in, without making any attempt to come up with an idea to replace the one you just dropped.
I know you said you'd (maybe) turn the darker ideas in Swords and Sorcery into BDSM arcs but a) I don't get any input into that (which also means I have basically nothing to contribute to this thread), b) you'll probably end up not wanting to write it because it's too dark and c) I actually
like happy stories, particularly when it comes to Sakura. What I liked about this story is that it allows for a lot of BDSM stuff (some quite hardcore), but yet Sakura and Rin are actually
happy. You seem to expect adding BDSM content to be mutually exclusive with happiness, when I would prefer to have
both.
