of flesh and fantasy poll and discussion.

[Cherry Lover]

well in any case post ideas here, try not to use Satoshi as he's the avatar

Eh, what?

Surely Toshi is necessary for the idea to occur....

[lantzblades]

not so, remember the canon fate etcetera characters are involved in the places he goes

[Cherry Lover]

Well, yes, of course, but he's still going to show up and affect things.

Anyway, I do have an idea, or at least part of one. Rider would be a freelance Ninja or something similar, probably in a Feudal-esque Japan. Each family would be a clan fighting for control, except that the Matou clan was wiped out by Rider a while back, under the orders of someone who had hired her. Shinji and Zouken were very painfully killed, and Sakura (who had been taken in by the Matou and was being tortured, raped etc. (like in canon) to make her compliant and turn her into a perfect spy) was kidnapped and, officially, tortured to death. In reality, though, Rider took a liking to her whilst she was planning out the attack, and took her captive with the intention of giving her a happy life, using her love of torture (and Sakura's helplessness making it easy to take her) to justify it to her employer, as well as allowing her to pretend Sakura was dead.

Sakura is now a Ninja in training (having asked Rider to train her so she can repay her kindness somewhat and do something useful), as well as being in a sexual relationship with Rider. The training includes torture resistance training, which Rider very much enjoys. Rin, meanwhile, is the head of the Tohsaka house, desperately looking for the person who killed her sister in order to enact revenge. Not sure about the others, probably Shirou would be the head of another house.

[lantzblades]

to justify it to her employer

The training includes torture resistance training

not the way ninjas work, other than this there's nothing wrong with the idea

[Cherry Lover]

to justify it to her employer

The training includes torture resistance training

not the way ninjas work, other than this there's nothing wrong with the idea

What do you mean it's "not the way Ninjas work"? If a Ninja got captured they would certainly be tortured, so it figures they'd want to be able to resist it (and, ideally, also escape).

[lantzblades]

so it figures they'd want to be able to resist it

a ninja would ideally kill themselves. the training would be endurance training for other reasons but not torture.

and she would fake sakura's death period, no asking.

[Cherry Lover]

so it figures they'd want to be able to resist it

a ninja would ideally kill themselves. the training would be endurance training for other reasons but not torture.

They might ideally kill theirselves, but it's not always possible. Certainly Ninjas did often get captured in real life, and not spilling secrets in such a situation would be very important.

Basically, though, I'm just trying to find a reason to have torture scenes without making the setting very dark. Also, I like the idea of Sakura's training involving practice missions where, if she's captured, she's "interrogated", mainly because I like the idea of her being dragged to Rider in chains....

and she would fake sakura's death period, no asking.

That's what I was saying. She would convince her employer that Sakura was dead by claiming to have captured and then tortured her.

[lantzblades]

Also, I like the idea of Sakura's training involving practice missions where, if she's captured, she's "interrogated", mainly because I like the idea of her being dragged to Rider in chains....

overly complex, just have Rider whip her ass if she fails.

That's what I was saying. She would convince her employer that Sakura was dead by claiming to have captured and then tortured her.

easier to cut sakura's hair bleed her a bit and leave the blood and hair in the burning remains of the matou house.

[Cherry Lover]

Also, I like the idea of Sakura's training involving practice missions where, if she's captured, she's "interrogated", mainly because I like the idea of her being dragged to Rider in chains....

overly complex, just have Rider whip her ass if she fails.

What do you mean?

Remember Rider isn't intended to be abusing Sakura here.

That's what I was saying. She would convince her employer that Sakura was dead by claiming to have captured and then tortured her.

easier to cut sakura's hair bleed her a bit and leave the blood and hair in the burning remains of the matou house.

Yeah, I guess.

[lantzblades]

What do you mean?

it's ninja training, you fuck up you die, so an ass whooping is a reasonable punishment objectively speaking, rider can apply the context of ass whooping freely.

[Cherry Lover]

What do you mean?

it's ninja training, you fuck up you die, so an ass whooping is a reasonable punishment objectively speaking, rider can apply the context of ass whooping freely.

Yeah, I guess. So, basically, if Sakura fails, Rider gets to do whatever she likes to her (which means sexual torture, since Rider is a sadist...)?

That makes sense, although I suspect Rider would be comforting towards Sakura afterwards.

[lantzblades]

in theory yes.

[Cherry Lover]

in theory yes.

What?

[lantzblades]

in theory yes, i can't say in practice because it is not written yet.

[Cherry Lover]

in theory yes, i can't say in practice because it is not written yet.

Ah, OK, I see.

Well, anyway, we should probably work out what everyone else will be doing whilst Rider is "training" Sakura. I think Rin should definitely get the wrong end of the stick and end up in Rider's dungeon....