The Round Table (A collaborative fiction thread)

[lantzblades]

it makes perfect sense, rider gets sidelined when sakura is in view, it always happens, just like rin in UBW.

[Cherry Lover]

it makes perfect sense, rider gets sidelined when sakura is in view, it always happens, just like rin in UBW.

The thing is, without a servant, Sakura gets sidelined. Plus, her devotion to Sakura is a big part of Rider's character. Not to mention that we don't have anyone else to give Rider to that isn't just horribly stretching it and turning basically everyone into a magus.

[lantzblades]

point of order: it's giving unconfirmed characters magic circuits, not making them magi, I do not want to sideline either character but something has to give here, rider likes sakura but she's hardly obsessed with her, she has things and thoughts beyond sakura.

[Cherry Lover]

point of order: it's giving unconfirmed characters magic circuits, not making them magi

It's still stupid, at least if you do it to everyone. Plus, it requires Rider to actively seek out such a person, which there is no reason for her to do.

Doing it with one servant/master (Ayako and Caster) is within the realms of suspension of disbelief, but doing it with two is just stupid. There are not that many magi around, and even if there are Rider has to find one of them.

I do not want to sideline either character but something has to give here

Yes, but I do not like the idea you're suggesting, one bit. Not least because her protectiveness of Sakura is the thing I like the most about Rider.

Plus, like I said, with the way you're aiming to go we will end up side-lining them both.

rider likes sakura but she's hardly obsessed with her, she has things and thoughts beyond sakura.

Erm, I think you're seriously underestimating how much she cares for Sakura. Sure, she does have a life aside from just "protect Sakura", but it's clear that she is extremely devoted to Sakura, and would do anything to protect her.

[lantzblades]

I can see any number of reasons why she could find to live on they are not childhood friends I want rider to have a good role instead  )of a side car to Sakura

[Cherry Lover]

I can see any number of reasons why she could find to live on

Perhaps, but you're reaching.

they are not childhood friends

No, but Rider cares extremely deeply for Sakura. She openly admits she'd happily kill the entire town to protect her, and she is quite willing to sacrifice her own life, suffer being raped by Shinji and so on in order to protect Sakura.

I want rider to have a good role instead  )of a side car to Sakura

And I want Sakura to have a good role. Plus, Rider has to be someone's servant, why is being Sakura's servant any different? What stops her from having a good role if she's Sakura's servant?

[lantzblades]

Simply put she's just a shield for Sakura it's hard to get her out from that

[Cherry Lover]

Simply put she's just a shield for Sakura it's hard to get her out from that

But you could just as easily say Saber is "just a shield for Shirou" or that Archer is "just a shield for Rin". That is what a servant does.

There is a serious problem here, though, because our goals for this story seem to be difficult to reconcile. I don't like your general approach to Rider (I've discussed it with you before), and I don't like the way that you're setting it up so Sakura will end up without any role unless we really force it. It's not a matter of her strength or anything, she simply has no way to fight without a servant, because that's how Grail Wars work. If we try to give her a good and significant role despite that, it'll just look forced.

[lantzblades]

But you could just as easily say Saber is "just a shield for Shirou" or that Archer is "just a shield for Rin". That is what a servant does.

often to their detriment but no more so then Rider.

given that the grail war is the set up to "open world" publishing I think it's less important to have a major role here then to setup better roles for later.

[Cherry Lover]

But you could just as easily say Saber is "just a shield for Shirou" or that Archer is "just a shield for Rin". That is what a servant does.

often to their detriment but no more so then Rider.

What?

given that the grail war is the set up to "open world" publishing I think it's less important to have a major role here then to setup better roles for later.

Perhaps, but I don't think removing Rider from Sakura's control does that. If anything, I'd say you're getting it in reverse. Linking Rider to Sakura might limit her in this story, but it allows her to grow in future stories. If you don't have her as Sakura's servant, I can't see how she can realistically even survive the war.

And, I would like Sakura to have a major role here. Not to mention that giving her a servant etc. will aid in setting up a better role for her later on, as opposed to her not being given a chance to prove herself in any way.

[lantzblades]

how much character development do the servant get? very little, see ubw and all of rider in canon.

[Cherry Lover]

how much character development do the servant get? very little, see ubw and all of rider in canon.

Yeah, but Rider isn't going to stop being a servant just because she's paired up with someone else. Further, not being connected to one of the main characters means she's going to get even less.

[lantzblades]

no, obviously not but it won't be as bad as being hip connected but i doubt not being connect to a main character (more so faulty because rider IS one) will get her less development.

[Cherry Lover]

no, obviously not but it won't be as bad as being hip connected

I don't agree, at least with Sakura she has a master who she has a reason to fight for.

i doubt not being connect to a main character (more so faulty because rider IS one) will get her less development.

It will, because she will just be an enemy to Shirou etc., and nothing more.

[lantzblades]

please stop the enemy crap, we moved pasted that awhile ago.