ero&lemon discussion

[Cherry Lover]

Yes, I am well aware of that. But, that doesn't make my statement any less true.

[lantzblades]

Actually before looking it up I considered the idea to be disturbing but actually I found out that victims of abuse end up making great strides in healing by taking the power from the event. Bdsm is a fairly common option in such a case for said return of power

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Yes, I am well aware of that. But, that doesn't make my statement any less true.

It might not but it's probably part of the reason you aren't seeing more Sakura. You sort of ruined her character for a load of people.

It's basically a law of avaliablility. Let's say there's 10 fans writing lemons. Even if BDSM is a fetish of all 10, it probably won't factor in to about half of those lemons. Of those remaining, it's mostly going to be the lighter things. And that's anothor 2 or 3 gone. So there's now only 2 people into the harder stuff. And they probably won't go for the stuff as extreme as you like it.

Now, this is being very generous with the numbers here, but basically 'Write it your fucking self' is what comes into play here.

[Cherry Lover]

It might not but it's probably part of the reason you aren't seeing more Sakura. You sort of ruined her character for a load of people.

What the fuck are you talking about? How does my fetish have anything to do with the amount of Sakura porn?

It's basically a law of avaliablility. Let's say there's 10 fans writing lemons. Even if BDSM is a fetish of all 10, it probably won't factor in to about half of those lemons. Of those remaining, it's mostly going to be the lighter things. And that's anothor 2 or 3 gone. So there's now only 2 people into the harder stuff. And they probably won't go for the stuff as extreme as you like it.

Well, yes, of course. It is self-evident that, the more niche your desire, the less likely it is to be fulfilled (unless, of course, you request someone write it, which is now a lot harder for me than it used to be). Still, there are such stories for other characters, and Sakura just gets massively under-used in general.

Now, this is being very generous with the numbers here, but basically 'Write it your fucking self' is what comes into play here.

Yeah, the problem with that statement is that stuff you write yourself isn't particularly enjoyable for you to read.

[Kat]

Actually before looking it up I considered the idea to be disturbing but actually I found out that victims of abuse end up making great strides in healing by taking the power from the event. Bdsm is a fairly common option in such a case for said return of power

It is not funny, you know. Joking about abuse like that is tasteless.

[Cherry Lover]

I don't see anything in that statement whatsoever that could be seen as a joke. It's obviously a serious statement, and one that is actually often true.

[Kat]

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WTF?

[Cherry Lover]

What is the problem?

[Kat]

SM and rape victims. That is all.

[Cherry Lover]

Yeah, I don't see a problem. You can dislike it if you want, but you do not have the right to impose your views on anyone else, and claiming that someone was joking when they clearly are not is just bullshit.

[Kat]

I'm not FBI or NSA, so don't worry about me complaining at a Chinese porn game forums, hue.

[lantzblades]

Taking the power from a traumatic event is good therapy regardless of the event's source. It's not a joke or opinion it's measured science fact. In the case of victims of sexual abusive doing thing which empower them in the bedroom is a way to overcome the scars. I know this from research and several testimonials from victims themselves.

[Cherry Lover]

Well, I would imagine it depends on the person in question. Some people would find it empowering, but others might have a different reaction (particularly if they were the submissive one). But, certainly it's not an uncommon feeling, and I actually know people who are past victims of abuse and who practice BDSM so, as you say, there is actual factual evidence of it being the case for at least some people.

I think saying "all victims would see it this way" as a blanket thing is probably not valid, but certainly many of them do, particularly if they trust their partner (as Sakura would with Shirou) and know that he would never do anything she is not comfortable with. It can certainly be healing to go through similar situations to your abuse, but in a more controlled environment with someone you trust and where you hold the real power (because they're only doing it with your full consent). As you say, it gives the ability to look past it and get over what happened, by giving you power over events you previously had no power over.

[Kat]

Taking the power from a traumatic event is good therapy regardless of the event's source. It's not a joke or opinion it's measured science fact. In the case of victims of sexual abusive doing thing which empower them in the bedroom is a way to overcome the scars. I know this from research and several testimonials from victims themselves.

Extensive links, please.

The burden on the proof is on the one who claims.

[Cherry Lover]

Only if he cares about convincing you, which he may not.

Also, for the record, I don't condone rape in any manner, and I certainly wouldn't want to rape Sakura, or turn her into a sex slave or similar. I like the idea of doing BDSM stuff with her, yes, but I would never want her to be enslaved to my will more generally, or to not live her own life (even the needles thing that Arch alluded to was consensual and time-limited). I do find stories involving her getting raped erotic, yes, but I also tend to prefer the person doing it to be punished for their actions, and I don't consider it an acceptable thing to do in any way.