Fate/Yet Another Grail War RPing Idea

[Alice]

Yeah, that.

It's not the Master/Servant randomizing that they're complaining about. They seem fine with that part (and honestly, I think it's better that way). It's the people playing the Servants getting a random class of the Servant that they get to play. Basically what I got from it is that some don't want to make a bunch of Servant sheets only for some to go unused, others don't have time to make all those sheets, some only have a specific class in mind, etc.

But yeah, it's not the randomization of the Servant and Master pairs they want nixed, it's the randomization of what classes people can play. I probably didn't explain that very well. ^^"

If a Servant sheet is too OP or hax or whatever, you can just ban the sheet and make them make another one.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Fine, fuck, I'll throw it up here.


What damn class do you guys want to play? Please, just tell me. I was trying to make this as interesting, suspenseful, and as close to a real grail war as possible, but apparently you guys don't want that at all so fuck it. I'll try and keep the servant assignment random, but fine, just pick your class then now.

If this takes the suspense and throws it out the window, and you guys don't like that, then don't blame me.

[Elf]

Well think of it this way, I don't want to spend a whole lot of time creating a character sheet for a character I'm not going to play.

Plus this is an RP, shouldn't we get some choice about who we're playing?

If you wanted to keep it random, have members PM you with what slot they want and simply say when that spot is taken, but don't say who takes them.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

The problem then is that I KNOW that someone's going to bitch because their special snowflake servant sheet has it's class already taken.


As is then we've got Lancer and Assassin taken.

[Elf]

I mean, if classes are going to be randomized, I wouldn't want to make a sheet until I know what class I got.

Because I might have to go from scratch and pick a different hero/heroine.

Like, find out who want to be Servants and then privately assign them a class and then they turn in the sheets.

[lantzblades]

Just a small note, forgive me if you aren't running the grail war by standard rules but as I recall, only the three knights, Saber, Archer and Lancer have to be summoned. After at least those three servant classes have been confirmed then the remaining four servants can be of any of the seven classes, they may even repeat and have multiple Archer's or sabers or such.

with this in mind from canon, does this solve the issue at hand?

[Milbunk]

Honestly that kinda ruins the whole point of the 7 classes in the first place, at least I think so.

I was thinking that we have people express that they want to RP a Servant and then after we get 7 then you randomize which class they get and they have to create the sheet for it, after that you can even keep it hidden who got which class so that it can be revealed as we RPed. (So basically what Elf said.)

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Except that isn't in canon. Unless like the Einzbern's you're directly hacking the grail, which was why the third war was so crazy, the Edifelt's dual sorcery trait allowing two sabers, and then the Einzberns. That's the thing - this grail isn't modified like the Apocraphya one - this was pretty much a dirty transplant surgery, not a reworking of it.

So no, you're wrong. And Extra doesn't really count in regards to classes because it's fucking Extra, it's a different system all together. The only classes that we've seen are the primary seven, plus Avenger, and Avenger was only summoned through the Einzberns freaking taking the grail and hacking the fuck out of it.

For that matter, did you even fucking read into shit?

Saber Lancer and Archer don't NEED to be summoned. They're meant to be summoned, by the three primary families, because they are the hax classes. They and Rider all have Magic Resistance, making Caster irrelevant. Assassin will get killed rather easily by any other class in a straight fight, and Presence Concealment doesn't last or work forever. Berserker is a motherfucking trap card, designed to kill people through the sheer power requirements the class needs. Rider? Rider also can't fight straight up, they need their mount to stand a chance. If they get caught without a mount, or since Spear Beats Horseman, by Lancer, they die too.

You can only have one of any class, unless you game the system. This has only happened twice, in the third grail war. And both times, it was someone gaming the system.

TL:DR you don't know your shit so shut the fuck up

[Cherry Lover]

Look, I thought it was a good idea for a more realistic grailwar.

But apparently people don't want to do that and whine when everything is still the same. Because it is the same.

Sometimes I just don't know anymore.


Fine, make your perfect Master/Servant combo, I'll figure out classes when I can, alright?

The problem is that you're expecting us to come up with sheets we probably won't be able to use, which means that there is little point in us doing it. I wouldn't mind a system whereby people make sheets and then you randomly choose between those sheets (excluding the same player twice, obviously, and preferably with a system that means players without a master get priority), but it seems pointless to make a sheet to get entry into the RP which will then most likely be discarded.

Except that isn't in canon. Unless like the Einzbern's you're directly hacking the grail, which was why the third war was so crazy, the Edifelt's dual sorcery trait allowing two sabers, and then the Einzberns. That's the thing - this grail isn't modified like the Apocraphya one - this was pretty much a dirty transplant surgery, not a reworking of it.

So no, you're wrong. And Extra doesn't really count in regards to classes because it's fucking Extra, it's a different system all together. The only classes that we've seen are the primary seven, plus Avenger, and Avenger was only summoned through the Einzberns freaking taking the grail and hacking the fuck out of it.

For that matter, did you even fucking read into shit?

Saber Lancer and Archer don't NEED to be summoned. They're meant to be summoned, by the three primary families, because they are the hax classes. They and Rider all have Magic Resistance, making Caster irrelevant. Assassin will get killed rather easily by any other class in a straight fight, and Presence Concealment doesn't last or work forever. Berserker is a motherfucking trap card, designed to kill people through the sheer power requirements the class needs. Rider? Rider also can't fight straight up, they need their mount to stand a chance. If they get caught without a mount, or since Spear Beats Horseman, by Lancer, they die too.

You can only have one of any class, unless you game the system. This has only happened twice, in the third grail war. And both times, it was someone gaming the system.

TL:DR you don't know your shit so shut the fuck up

I think he's right that those classes are the only ones that "need" to be summoned. However, I see no evidence that it is possible to summon more than one of the same class. We have three wars, and in those three it doesn't happen even once (the Edelfelts don't count, their two Sabers counted as one servant for the purpose of the War). Your argument itself is rather poor, though, since you have provided zero evidence, and if you count the two Sabers as two distinct servants then saying "well, they cheated so it doesn't count" seems like just making excuses to handwave away evidence against your viewpoint.

And, I do recall it being said that those classes are necessary (which implies the others are not, strictly). However, aside from someone fucking around with the system, it seems like the standard seven classes are the only ones that exist, and repeats do not seem to be possible (at least aside from some bizarre circumstances) since the likelihood of three wars happening without repeats (as I said, the Sabers don't count, since there were 6 other servants beside them) if repeats are possible is very low.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Basically, repeats are impossible and it only happened because of the Edefelts. So really, he's wrong. End of story.

None of the classes need to be summoned, as the Einzberns proved by replacing one of them with Avenger. So when you consider that, it's more that the three knight classes are meant to be summoned by the three families, not that they need to be summoned by one of them. Lantz is forgetting the war is supposed to be rigged from the fucking start.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

For that matter, we have Four Masters already.

Elf, Milbunk, Alice, and Nachos. Three slots remaining for master sheets folks.

[Cherry Lover]

None of the classes need to be summoned, as the Einzberns proved by replacing one of them with Avenger.

Erm, what? Your conclusion doesn't follow from the evidence. All we can say for sure from the events of the Third War is that the Berserker class does not need to be summoned. Lantz's statement fits that just as well as yours does.

So when you consider that, it's more that the three knight classes are meant to be summoned by the three families, not that they need to be summoned by one of them. Lantz is forgetting the war is supposed to be rigged from the fucking start.

It is pretty clear that the knight classes were meant to be summoned by the original families and were rigged to be overpowered, yes. That only makes it more likely that they are guarenteed to be present no matter what, though, particularly since we know the knight classes were present in the Third War.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

None of the classes need to be summoned, as the Einzberns proved by replacing one of them with Avenger.

Erm, what? Your conclusion doesn't follow from the evidence. All we can say for sure from the events of the Third War is that the Berserker class does not need to be summoned. Lantz's statement fits that just as well as yours does.

So when you consider that, it's more that the three knight classes are meant to be summoned by the three families, not that they need to be summoned by one of them. Lantz is forgetting the war is supposed to be rigged from the fucking start.

It is pretty clear that the knight classes were meant to be summoned by the original families and were rigged to be overpowered, yes. That only makes it more likely that they are guarenteed to be present no matter what, though, particularly since we know the knight classes were present in the Third War.

Look, I'm rather tired so I'll explain this the best I can - Lantz is wrong because we can't have repeats of classes. It only happened because of a fluke in the third war.

For that matter, replacing Berserker could have happened to any class, it's just less likely to happen with the knight classes. Consider the primary seven like the default settings. The three families will always try and grab the knights, but in theory, the Einzberns could have taken Saber and replaced it with Avenger. They don't need to be there, but practically speaking those are the classes everyone wants to be there so they usually are.


And mike please for the love of god make a master sheet or something already, I don't want to have to make one for you. Again.

[Cherry Lover]

Look, I'm rather tired so I'll explain this the best I can - Lantz is wrong because we can't have repeats of classes. It only happened because of a fluke in the third war.

I agree that classes cannot be repeated. The Third War isn't an exception, though, even there there was only one Saber summoned, it just split into two different forms.

For that matter, replacing Berserker could have happened to any class, it's just less likely to happen with the knight classes. Consider the primary seven like the default settings. The three families will always try and grab the knights, but in theory, the Einzberns could have taken Saber and replaced it with Avenger. They don't need to be there, but practically speaking those are the classes everyone wants to be there so they usually are.

Do you have even the slightest bit of evidence for this statement? Because I'm not seeing any....

And mike please for the love of god make a master sheet or something already, I don't want to have to make one for you. Again.

I will, but I have a bunch of other things to do, too.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Think about it - the Einzberns could replace one of the classes, right? Then logically, they should be able to replace any of the classes.