character Q and A

[Cherry Lover]

@CL

well Aoko, she's kinda the reason the multiverse is going to be destroyed, short version is super guilt for previous events. Zelretch treats everything like a TV show to avoid attachment and Gilgamesh and Kirei, well the former respects Satoshi's conviction and the latter is pissed off that he lost their battle of wills.

And she doesn't feel guilt for what they're doing to Toshi?

his existence as a hero was yes, not his existence period.

It was, though. He was created to solve the problem, and he dies when it is solved.

it was his fate to die yes. More importantly it was his choice to accept that fate for the people he loves.

But, he was forced into a situation of "die or let everyone die". That's not exactly a free choice....

Ultimately their hope for his return can only be fulfilled if the readers think he deserves their love and allow the wish to come to pass. I've been serious about this from the start. He comes back only if you guys thing he deserves to come back.

That's a really odd way of doing it....

Humanity is awesome sir.

Unless you're Zelretch or Aoko, apparently....

[lantzblades]

@CL

no, at that time Aoko simply wants to die. Entropy is her out.

he wasn't born to solve the problem, he was co-opted to do it. There's a difference.

it's not odd, it's different from fan fiction yes but not odd.

you're forgetting the time index issue in Aoko's case and Zelretch, well in the prologue he was willing to cease to exist to save reality so....

[Cherry Lover]

@CL

no, at that time Aoko simply wants to die. Entropy is her out.

Doesn't excuse setting someone else up to die after they've finished their role.

he wasn't born to solve the problem, he was co-opted to do it. There's a difference.

Not really. They're the ones who (I assume) gave him that origin. It's their fault he is going to die when he completes his "job".

it's not odd, it's different from fan fiction yes but not odd.

Well, it's just odd to decide if he lives or not based on whether the readers want it enough to literally wish him back into existence.

you're forgetting the time index issue in Aoko's case and Zelretch, well in the prologue he was willing to cease to exist to save reality so....

What?

[lantzblades]

But Aoko didn't, nor did Merlin who planned everything, it's just a consequence and Merlin is very goal oriented.

Actually there is a difference, Satoshi existed before his origin became what it is. This means that he factually does exist rather than being an artificially created person.

odd, nah, Jason Todd, look him up.

there's two Aokos in the story, the one in the present and the one in the future. And Zelretch is willing to die himself to save the universe so he's not exactly a douche.

[Cherry Lover]

But Aoko didn't, nor did Merlin who planned everything, it's just a consequence and Merlin is very goal oriented.

They did, though. You said outright before that he would die when his role was complete.

Actually there is a difference, Satoshi existed before his origin became what it is. This means that he factually does exist rather than being an artificially created person.

That makes it even worse. They took a person who could otherwise have lived a normal life and gave him an origin that ensured he would die when his role was completed.

And Zelretch is willing to die himself to save the universe so he's not exactly a douche.

Nope, sorry. Being willing to die yourself doesn't give you the right to condemn someone else to death on your behalf.

[lantzblades]

Designing it so he dies and dying as a consequence are very different dude. One is intended and is undeniably a terrible act, the other is unfortunate but doesn't damn the perpetrators.

erm, have you read king Arthur? Merlin did exactly that with Arturia, however, no, that is not what his origin does.

erm, Zelretch didn't do that. Zelretch is clearly not the mastermind. You need to understand the

[Xamusel]

Er, Lantz, could you please clarify the last sentence of your last post? It cut off on us.

[Cherry Lover]

Designing it so he dies and dying as a consequence are very different dude. One is intended and is undeniably a terrible act, the other is unfortunate but doesn't damn the perpetrators.

Erm, how could they not have known he would die as a result? And, if they did know and still went through with it, then that makes them monsters.

erm, have you read king Arthur? Merlin did exactly that with Arturia,

Well, only in that she will die eventually. In the original story at least, King Arthur was told he would have a long reign that ended in tragedy.

however, no, that is not what his origin does.

Except that you said it did....

erm, Zelretch didn't do that. Zelretch is clearly not the mastermind. You need to understand the

Erm, what?

[lantzblades]

@CL

it was one kid or the universe. Yeah, not ideal but sorta crammed into a corner on the subject. And Merlin was the only one to know.

no his origin completing is what kills him because entropy overtakes him.

the difference is that Zelretch doesn't know all the details.

[Cherry Lover]

@CL

it was one kid or the universe. Yeah, not ideal but sorta crammed into a corner on the subject. And Merlin was the only one to know.

Still kind-of dickish....

no his origin completing is what kills him because entropy overtakes him.

Right, and how exactly does that come about?

[lantzblades]

His origin completes when he soul is reassembled, entropy then overtakes him for all the shark jumping he's done as the scales are now unbalanced. He drops dead, there's a meta fight with entropy manifest as a person and then he is effectively dead because of a lack of a body, hope is amazing but without a will and a physical state it's powerless.

[Cherry Lover]

His origin completes when he soul is reassembled, entropy then overtakes him for all the shark jumping he's done as the scales are now unbalanced. He drops dead, there's a meta fight with entropy manifest as a person and then he is effectively dead because of a lack of a body, hope is amazing but without a will and a physical state it's powerless.

OK, what?

What do you mean about the soul reassembly thing? And, how was this not inevitable?

[SINIB]

I'd assume he means it means he finishes unifying his sould or whatever. He's brought up something about his sould being in pieces(or something like that), and how Satoshi is always trying to fix things and builds shit.

[lantzblades]

He needs to reassemble his soul, though he's never aware of the fact.

[lantzblades]

As for inevitability, hope is an eternal force, there's always hope which means there's always a chance he could come back, in theory anyway. Such as Satoshi is there's no guarantee one way or another if he lives or dies.

the important thing to remember here is that his powers, such as they are are explained and transmutive, honestly at the "true" end he has zero powers or weapons. Well aside from Gao and his crossbow