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[Daiki]

Still, why Durandal?

Random Noble Phantasm not even needed in the first place.

[The Man With All The Cute Boats]

because

[Elf]

Brah: Lorelei has servant-stat rank A+ magic ability? Seriously? That's higher than Medea....

And, the other stats being servant level seems pretty odd, too. She's on the same level as Rider according to you, and I don't see how she can be that strong.

Dude, it's Lorelei.

She's the Assocation's top magus.  She punches out Dead Apostle Ancestors because they disgust her.  She could easily punch out most Servants too. And then recruit them for her Vampire Murder Squad.

[Brahmastra]

Still, why Durandal?

Random Noble Phantasm not even needed in the first place.

Im not letting Nasu actually have an Archmagus wielding a fucking cropping stick.

[Daiki]

That's in poor taste, Chris. We both know it. She can fucking blow up castle rooms with single action spells. She doesn't need the NP.

Also power level wise, she's closer to Enhance than anybody else. She's nowhere near the level of the top ten.

Yeah she killed two nameless DAA, doesn't say much.

[Brahmastra]

Still, why Durandal?

Random Noble Phantasm not even needed in the first place.

Im not actually letting Nasu have an Archmagus wield a fucking cropping stick.

Durandal is one of the few NP's most likely to live to the modern age (especially with that sword in the location in France i specified actually sitting in a cliffside) due to it being unbreakable and undullable. And the Barthomeloi having a holy weapon to combat vampires with is not even remotely unbelievable if that Chinese Emperor NP the Tsubaki's in Strange Fake recovered is functional.

I'll gladly admit I took a lot of creative liberties with this and the sheet overall (enough to build a Statue of Creative Liberty with), but I honestly don't have much to go on :/

[Elf]

Bazett gets Fraggle Rock.

(I still want to see Nasuverse Mortalach though.)

[Knick]

Bazett gets Fraggle Rock.

Isn't that considered the only Noble Phantasm usable by modern humans?

I mean having the sword does not mean it is currently a noble Phantasm. Rather it is the sword that would become a Noble Phantasm. It is probably weaker then whatever the the NP version that is tied to a Heroic Spirit.

[Umbra of Chaos]

Isn't that considered the only Noble Phantasm usable by modern humans?

I mean having the sword does not mean it is currently a noble Phantasm. Rather it is the sword that would become a Noble Phantasm. It is probably weaker then whatever the the NP version that is tied to a Heroic Spirit.

It is still the NP. Otherwise Avalon wouldn't have done anything in Zero and FSN.

[Daiki]

But to use a NP, a modern human(or anybody else not being not the owner really) would need something to compensate for the fact that they aren't the actual user of the weapon. That's the whole reason the Fraga Sorcery Trait even exist.

[Brahmastra]

Bazett gets Fraggle Rock.

Isn't that considered the only Noble Phantasm usable by modern humans?

I mean having the sword does not mean it is currently a noble Phantasm. Rather it is the sword that would become a Noble Phantasm. It is probably weaker then whatever the the NP version that is tied to a Heroic Spirit.

That Chinese Emperor thing I mentioned can be used by non-Magi.

[Knick]

Avalon is also a Conceptual Weapon. Very clearly called such.

Also the weapon that will become a NP might still have the powers of the original, just without the boost of being a NP and having a legend. Look at K&B, they are Noble Phantasm level swords despite not being Noble Phantasms. But they would be better if they where.

[Cherry Lover]

Do you just not read the rest of the profile or do you legit don't know who Lorelei is? She is pretty much the strongest known living human, who can use True Magic-tier normal Magecraft.

"Strongest known living human" is still several levels below "heroic spirit". And, Medea is still above a true magic user, plus I suspect true magic is still above Lorelei.

I repeat, with the kind of magic Rin could pick up in a week, Lorelei is approaching Zelretch-tier.

Yeah, which is still weaker than a servant. Servants are way above normal humans.

Physical stats are obviously Reinforcement.

Even so, they are ludicrous. She shouldn't be stronger than a servant.

Lorelei hunts Dead Apostle Ancestors (who are easily High-Servant tier) on red moons (where they are at their strongest) for sport

Simply put, she's the Bruce Lee of modern Magi.

Doesn't she have people supporting her for that?

Also, I'm not convinced DAAs are "high-servant tier".

[Brahmastra]

Not gonna bother convincing you when I have no purpose to, you ignore every worthwhile point and that the character is already approved.

After some deliberation I removed Durandal (although I considered giving her Almace, which would make thematical sense because it shares name with her Magical Attribute and it'd be humiliating for "the best" to wield the weapon that was only the second best of the 3 Holy swords from the Song of Roland).

[Cherry Lover]

Not gonna bother convincing you when I have no purpose to, you ignore every worthwhile point

Try making some worthwhile points, then....

And, you're entirely ignoring mine. In particular, her magic stat is absurd. There is no way in hell she is better at magic than Medea, which is what you are implying.

and that the character is already approved.

So were Lantz's, didn't stop you bitching about those....