Cross Effects: Rebirth (2.0) Discussion Page (OOC).

[Brahmastra]

Brah, Wikipedia isn't helping me so please use your precious time of day to look up shit I could go find myself.

No.

[Kat]

Mike, common logic already suggests EMIYA needed a contract to achieve his power level. Otherwise, why he would contract in first place if he was enough strong to save people he wanted to save?

[Cherry Lover]

Brah, Wikipedia isn't helping me so please use your precious time of day to look up shit I could go find myself.

No.

Sorry, Brah, but I do not know where the information you're talking about is, and I frankly do not even believe it exists. So, unless you are willing to prove your point, why should I believe you? You cannot make an assertion without evidence and expect people to just accept it.

Mike, common logic already suggests EMIYA needed a contract to achieve his power level. Otherwise, why he would contract in first place if he was enough strong to save people he wanted to save?

The contract gave him infinite prana and, possibly, also the ability to use some of his skills he did not yet know. There's no indication it made him stronger in any other manner.

[Mooncake]

Magic Ability: None

lol no

Altrouge and Arcueid Brunestud, who have both inherited the Brunestud name, are considered to be those closest to reaching the point of being suitable vessels. Arcueid, created naturally by the True Ancestors, a method which Brunestud had given up on at the time, is considered a perfect body especially close in purity as she can summon the Millennium Castle through her Marble Phantasm ability.

Likes: His daughters

You were right with the Wiki copy-paste - Altrouge and Arcuied are not his daughters. They are vampires who are close to being vessels, and tangentially related to him. He has no concept of familial love in the first place.

He is now reborn into a body that is accepted by both Gaia and Alaya; However, after learning that his understanding of humans was far out of date, he made the mistake of asking his "daughters" to help him. Their response was to introduce him to anime, manga, and video games. Five years later he found himself in the nexus, with his personality irrevocably altered by the experience.

Likes: Chuunibyou, New Anime, New Manga Chapters, Games, The Moon, Zelretch, Cute things, Friends.
Dislikes:Manga delays and filler, things that hurt his friends.

I'm sorry Kuro. I really tried to be civil. But this is absolute bullshit.

Crimson Moon is a being who is completely, 100% alien to us. As a matter of fact, he is an Alien. He can't understand the concept of "liking" such things because he is a being beyond them. The problem that we have with Crimson Moon is we don't know much about him, but what we do know is that this simply does not work. There is absolutely no way that Alaya would accept him, there's no way that he would like such human things, AND, first and foremost:

He has no friends.

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The concept of friendship simply does not exist in his mind.

IT WAS A JOKE SHEET!!!

Even if it got approved I would end up playing it for laughs.

I would have put a LOT more effort into it if it was in any way serious.

A joke sheet has to be funny. This is unfunny, and pointless. The only things that could possibly have humor derived from them are the add-ons you tacked onto the very end, after copying everything from the wiki. And, quite simply, they aren't funny at all. Sorry, that's just how it is. Look at Names's sheets to get an idea - he does great joke characters. As it stands your sheet is unfunny and pointless.

[Kurogami]

Fuck it, I took it down, no use even leaving it to go to rejected if it is just going to make everyone hate me because it exists.

[Mooncake]

Brah, Wikipedia isn't helping me so please use your precious time of day to look up shit I could go find myself.

No.

Sorry, Brah, but I do not know where the information you're talking about is, and I frankly do not even believe it exists. So, unless you are willing to prove your point, why should I believe you? You cannot make an assertion without evidence and expect people to just accept it.

Mike, common logic already suggests EMIYA needed a contract to achieve his power level. Otherwise, why he would contract in first place if he was enough strong to save people he wanted to save?

The contract gave him infinite prana and, possibly, also the ability to use some of his skills he did not yet know. There's no indication it made him stronger in any other manner.

Dude what. Having infinite prana to infinitely produce weapons and access to abilities he didn't even have makes him much, much stronger. And, fine, since neither of you can be bothered to look up the Complete Materials or re-read through the bloody source materials, how about this: I am correct. You are not. Yes, the VN proves me to be correct. Yes, the VN is easily accessible on Youtube and LParchive. Go read it yourself if you don't believe me, because canon backs me and Brah up on this one.

[Brahmastra]

Sorry, Brah, but I do not know where the information you're talking about is, and I frankly do not even believe it exists. So, unless you are willing to prove your point, why should I believe you? You cannot make an assertion without evidence and expect people to just accept it.

Works for lantz literally every time, so I'm giving the same level of effort. I have better things to do than to talk to a wall.

[Kat]

Literally most people agree that EMIYA gained a boost from the contract.

Is it again this bullshit that a minority's view is as legit as majority's?

[Elf]

The contract gave him infinite prana and, possibly, also the ability to use some of his skills he did not yet know. There's no indication it made him stronger in any other manner.

It gave him power to save those people.  Even though it's sort of ambiguous, because of the contract, EMIYA gets abilities that Emiya Shirou doesn't.  Or rather power that he doesn't.

Like with Rin in UBW he can use his Reality Marble because she helps fuel it; however on his own it's implied that he couldn't use it because he doesn't have the juice to.  Post HF Shirou is getting backup from Sakura, again, someone else who can give him the juice to power UBW. 

However the Faustian pact gave Archer bonuses that Emiya Shirou would never reach with pure, simple power.

In other words, a wild Lancer appeared.

[Alice]

Pretty much exactly what Elf said. And if you can't trust a pair of Archer fangirls to get stuff right about their own husbando, who can you trust?

Also, yay, Lancer!

[Cherry Lover]

Sorry, Brah, but I do not know where the information you're talking about is, and I frankly do not even believe it exists. So, unless you are willing to prove your point, why should I believe you? You cannot make an assertion without evidence and expect people to just accept it.

Works for lantz literally every time, so I'm giving the same level of effort. I have better things to do than to talk to a wall.

No, it doesn't work for Lantz. The difference is that Lantz is talking about his characters, so unless he can be proven false he is allowed to apply his own interpretations, even if I personally don't agree with them.

Literally most people agree that EMIYA gained a boost from the contract.

Is it again this bullshit that a minority's view is as legit as majority's?

A majority once thought that the universe was created in 6 days 6000 years ago. Hell, most of the world probably still does believe in something similar. So, no, majority or minority isn't important, all that matters is evidence.

The contract gave him infinite prana and, possibly, also the ability to use some of his skills he did not yet know. There's no indication it made him stronger in any other manner.

It gave him power to save those people.  Even though it's sort of ambiguous, because of the contract, EMIYA gets abilities that Emiya Shirou doesn't.  Or rather power that he doesn't.

Like with Rin in UBW he can use his Reality Marble because she helps fuel it; however on his own it's implied that he couldn't use it because he doesn't have the juice to.  Post HF Shirou is getting backup from Sakura, again, someone else who can give him the juice to power UBW. 

However the Faustian pact gave Archer bonuses that Emiya Shirou would never reach with pure, simple power.

Well, it's clear that the pact gave Archer a supply of prana that he could never attain by himself, I never denied that. However, it's not clear what, if anything, else it gave him.

[Mooncake]

A majority once thought that the universe was created in 6 days 6000 years ago. Hell, most of the world probably still does believe in something similar. So, no, majority or minority isn't important, all that matters is evidence.

And that evidence can be found on Youtube, LParchive, the Complete Materials, and so on. So, yes. We are indeed correct. Go and look at it yourself if you don't believe us.

[Cherry Lover]

A majority once thought that the universe was created in 6 days 6000 years ago. Hell, most of the world probably still does believe in something similar. So, no, majority or minority isn't important, all that matters is evidence.

And that evidence can be found on Youtube, LParchive, the Complete Materials, and so on. So, yes. We are indeed correct. Go and look at it yourself if you don't believe us.

Youtube, LP archive, Complete Materials etc. are big things. I don't have time to go looking through the entirety of them in order to prove your point. Either actually provide the evidence or accept that I am entitled to my opinion.

[Brahmastra]

Whether not we want to respect your opinion doesn't mean shit when we're dealing with facts.

[Cherry Lover]

Whether not we want to respect your opinion doesn't mean shit when we're dealing with facts.

Then provide the "facts". Otherwise, all you are spouting is opinion.