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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2014, 04:19:27 PM »
Also, I hope the scene where Rin falls asleep on her feet and Archer covers her with his cape is there too.

That scene was super dawww in the VN.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2014, 04:51:07 PM »
FSN is, like I said, like a mountain. Fate is the base and ubw and hf twin peaks. The whole thing only works when you put it all together. Any one part missing and the pay off isn't there. Like Ilya, you learn her character in fate and when UBW rolls around and that happens it's not just that Gilgamesh killed someone it's that he killed a nice person, a terribly pained person at that. So of course you want to make Goldie bleed from the eyes. But that further stretches into hf. Couldn't save Ilya before but now you can so the moments intensity is through the roof. Point being, the idea of leaving anything out makes a flaw product but here it takes the steam out of the train.

Look, that is entirely correct in reference to the VN. Each route builds on the last, and relies on it. The story exists as a connected whole, not three seperate entities.

However, there is simply no way to adapt a Visual Novel that retains that connection, not least because it relies on you being directly involved in making the decisions, as opposed to watching from a distance as you do with an anime. Therefore, the only option is to treat each route as an individual entity, and try to make sure that as much as possible of the principle of the VN is carried across anyway. It's difficult to do, yes, which is part of why the Deen anime sucked, but there is no way that you can say it is certain to fail without even seeing the anime.

I agree that there will possibly be some issues with making the UBW anime work for people coming from Zero, but that would have been just as true if they'd started with Fate, because people would treat it as a single, stand-alone story, even if they were intending to adapt the other two routes. Indeed, I suspect one of the biggest problems will be that people have watched the stories in the "wrong order" (i.e. Zero first), meaning that things that you're not meant to know when playing UBW are known. For example, the UBW ending comes across as rather unsatisfactory once you know about Sakura, and I'm not sure how they'll resolve that problem.

However, with regards to Fate, I don't think that there is anything essential in it that cannot be added into the UBW anime perfectly fine. Yes, there will be some things that are incomplete or which make less sense because of the lack of context, and some characters will be under-utilised, but I don't see how that is going to result in an adaptation that doesn't work. UBW as a story can mostly stand on its own two feet, as can HF. Further, even if that were not true, those of us who have played the VN or, even, seen the original Fate anime, will be aware of most of the stuff that is needed from Fate anyway.

You may be right that the anime will turn out bad, and it is certainly difficult to adapt a VN into a good anime (especially a route that assumes previous knowledge). However, I see no reason to say that it is impossible to do so effectively, or that the anime is doomed to be bad from the beginning. I see no reason to assume that Ufotable won't do a decent job of it.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2014, 08:07:12 PM »
I'm sorry Iris, that's not the case. If you think that way then love the adaptations as you should. For my part I'll rightly damn them for failing the set up and integrity in Zero. I want hope but this is a mistep, Shirou and many others will fail representation. And, as such it will fail.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2014, 10:42:55 PM »
Isn't UBW the route that focuses on Shirou and his ideal (through his and Archer's conflict)? Plus, we already know they'll add more scenes written by Nasu plus some ties to Zero; who's to say they won't work on adding stuff that was originally in Fate so it works for UBW?

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2014, 10:48:30 PM »
Isn't UBW the route that focuses on Shirou and his ideal (through his and Archer's conflict)? Plus, we already know they'll add more scenes written by Nasu plus some ties to Zero; who's to say they won't work on adding stuff that was originally in Fate so it works for UBW?

Well, I would say that they almost certainly will, because otherwise they will run into the problem Lantz is complaining about. I don't think you need to adapt Fate for the UBW anime to work, but I think there are aspects of Fate you will need to bring over in order to make it work. I just see no reason to believe Ufotable won't do that.

I can see the point he is raising to an extent. The VN does tell a story that goes beyond individual routes. But, at the same time, there is simply no way you can turn that into anime form, and I do think the stories can stand alone to a large extent.
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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2014, 11:32:19 PM »
No Kaiza it's not, that's a serious misconception about unlimited blade works. Fate is his ideal explored, unlimited blade works is the confrontation between his idealism and the prospect of failure. HF is the abandonment of the scales of justice Shirou holds and largely is about the concept of self interest and moral ambiguity of the world at large. Neither ubw or hf function for shirou (and hf falls flat for Kirei) without the fate route to demonstrate the start.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2014, 12:15:36 AM »
HF is the abandonment of the scales of justice Shirou holds and largely is about the concept of self interest and moral ambiguity of the world at large.

No, it isn't. Murdering Sakura is not in any way, shape or form "justice".

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2014, 12:32:11 AM »
Also, I hope the scene where Rin falls asleep on her feet and Archer covers her with his cape is there too.

That scene was super dawww in the VN.
I hope so too. :3

Also, since I got blown off kinda, I guess I'll just say keep it cool in here, blah blah blah.
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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2014, 12:35:04 AM »
Not what I was referring to. I was referring to the black and white way he sees good and evil before and instead chooses self interest (in this case Sakura and saving her) over the "greater good" many heroes gave someone or something that reflects self interest. It's normal.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2014, 12:53:31 AM »
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(and hf falls flat for Kirei)

Hah, no. HF is the route where Kirei is best heroine.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2014, 12:55:22 AM »
I'm sorry Iris, that's not the case. If you think that way then love the adaptations as you should. For my part I'll rightly damn them for failing the set up and integrity in Zero. I want hope but this is a mistep, Shirou and many others will fail representation. And, as such it will fail.
Thats pretty dismissive. I am a fairly open person, and if you provide me a satasfactory answer to why you feel this way, and counter my(and other's I agree with) arguements properly, I will leave it as that, and maybe even change my mind if you were convincing enough.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2014, 12:56:55 AM »
Not what I was referring to. I was referring to the black and white way he sees good and evil before and instead chooses self interest (in this case Sakura and saving her) over the "greater good" many heroes gave someone or something that reflects self interest. It's normal.

But, how could he have stuck with the "black and white" way. The black and white way still says "don't kill Sakura, she's a good person".

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2014, 01:06:28 AM »
No Kaiza it's not, that's a serious misconception about unlimited blade works. Fate is his ideal explored, unlimited blade works is the confrontation between his idealism and the prospect of failure. HF is the abandonment of the scales of justice Shirou holds and largely is about the concept of self interest and moral ambiguity of the world at large. Neither ubw or hf function for shirou (and hf falls flat for Kirei) without the fate route to demonstrate the start.

There's no misconception, you just missed the entire point of the three routes in your vigorous Saberfagging.

Fate = Pretty much entirely about Saber's ideal, and how Shirou can see, from an outside perspective, how stupid ideals like his and hers are (Even though he still doesn't stop pursuing it because he's stupid).

UBW = Actually realizing that his ideal is stupid, but something worth pursuing regardless.

HF = Abandoning his ideals for a single person, and facing the consequences.

Of course it's entirely pointless to argue with you because you'll go "nuh uh you're wrong I'm right because I said so" like always. I'm just putting it as it actually is; By giving an answer not tainted by your stupidity or Mike's extreme insistence in his headfanon that Sakura is totes a good person.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2014, 02:24:15 AM »
I have explained Iris, about how the whole novel fits together and the lack of the baseline which causes a failing in understanding.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2014, 02:56:23 AM »
Mike's extreme insistence in his headfanon that Sakura is totes a good person.

Sakura is a good person. Nothing in the VN shows otherwise. She's not perfect, no, but she is generally kind and caring, and having occasional bad thoughts does not make you bad (especially when you're in a situation like hers).
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