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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #165 on: October 28, 2014, 02:36:57 AM »
Problem with that theory being that everything suggests Archer fought Berserker in melee, where he wouldn't have time to charge Broken Phantasms.

You should be able to do a Broken Phantasm even with a sword. And, honestly, I don't buy the idea of Archer fighting Berserker in melee. He wouldn't last a second doing that. He surely would have kept his distance.

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And it's never "anyone can kill Berserker if they hit him enough times", because the attacks need to be powerful enough to affect him to begin with.

Except that Saber's attacks aren't (at least according to the rank thing). That's the whole point....

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And once an attack kills him once, he becomes immune to it. But thanks for missing my point.

Well, obviously, but I said "can kill him", not "can kill him 12 times".

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But before you actually ask me for a justification on why Saber pierced GH in the anime despite not managing anything but shallow cuts until she used Excalibur, according to Apocrypha the rank of an attack is defined by the Strength of the Servant, the weapon used, and the skill of the Servant. So it's as simple as all the factors adding up to an A rank attack, if you really want an explanation, despite this already being a tangent of the point.

Hmm, I guess that's plausible, although it's definitely a retcon from the VN.

Honestly, the thing I don't like about it is the blatant Saber-wanking. TM did it before with Excalibur (claiming Shirou can't trace it despite HF showing that he can), and they're doing it again here.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #166 on: October 28, 2014, 02:53:15 AM »
Everything still suggests Archer fought Berserker in melee, and if you consider it logically, Archer did not really have a choice in the matter.

It's not really a recton, since the VN also mentions the ranks of attacks. It's adding detail, if anything, but Apocrypha wasn't written by Nasu anyways.

Technically he can't trace it properly, since divine constructs are outside his ability to reproduce (Avalon aside). So if it was Excalibur he traced, it was a more degraded version than most of his projections tend to be.

If you wanna talk about wanking, then please also start complaining how Berserker can fight using his skills despite the fact he's insane. As my original point, just because Ufotable changed things, doesn't mean the changes are bad, especially if they're across the board in a way that keeps things interesting.

(Following my train of thought that Ufo probably decided to close a blind eye to how Saber was nerfed in the VN because of Shirou, her having Strength A is also not out of the question, as she has that rank under Rin. Though, again, I dislike having to bring up Ranks because they're a retardation that only serves to occasionally burden arguments about the narration with fallacious and contradicting information on the account of Nasu adding them because he liked the idea of faux RPG mechanics.)
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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #167 on: October 28, 2014, 08:10:03 PM »
If I'm remembering correctly, Nasu had done some RPing in the past and wanted to bring that inspiration to F/SN. ...sadly, RPing a few times doesn't automatically make one capable of writing a good RPing system well. Hence what we got with Nasu's ranks. They're good at giving a general idea of stuff, but like YOLF said, when all's said and done, there's so many inconsistencies and the like that, unless you tweak the living crap out of it to standardize it better, it doesn't work well for what it was intended for. Therefore, I agree with the sentiment of leaving the ranks stuff out of the UBW anime. It makes things.. cleaner.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #168 on: October 28, 2014, 08:26:07 PM »
If I'm remembering correctly, Nasu had done some RPing in the past and wanted to bring that inspiration to F/SN.

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[13:38:37] Helligator: Depends on the god, but gods by definition in Nasuverse are strong because they have divine authority.
[13:38:48] Kat: Even the toilet god?
[13:38:56] Helligator: No one worships toilets.
[13:39:00] Helligator: Don't be a shitlord.

[04:32:08] Helligator: I can't make dragons in power armor like this

[19:50:12] francobull III: [...] why are you being all assive aggressive?

[23:32:37] Helligator: use the narrative as a means to convey an interesting story and cool conflicts with the openness you're allowed
[23:32:43] Helligator: not to CHEAT stories and conflicts

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #169 on: November 02, 2014, 05:13:51 PM »
If I'm remembering correctly, Nasu had done some RPing in the past and wanted to bring that inspiration to F/SN. ...sadly, RPing a few times doesn't automatically make one capable of writing a good RPing system well. Hence what we got with Nasu's ranks. They're good at giving a general idea of stuff, but like YOLF said, when all's said and done, there's so many inconsistencies and the like that, unless you tweak the living crap out of it to standardize it better, it doesn't work well for what it was intended for. Therefore, I agree with the sentiment of leaving the ranks stuff out of the UBW anime. It makes things.. cleaner.

The problem is that God Hand specifically works on the basis of the rank of the attack, and that is a significant part of the point. It doesn't matter if your attack destroys the entire planet, if it's (somehow) not rank A it can't touch Berserker. So, whilst I agree that the whole "rank" thing is dumb, there has to be something to replace it in the definition of God Hand, and it's not remotely clear what exactly that is.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #170 on: November 07, 2014, 05:13:09 PM »
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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #171 on: November 07, 2014, 05:14:25 PM »
Fuck if I care.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #172 on: November 07, 2014, 06:04:56 PM »
Fuck if I care.

And what do you think your average King Arthur buff is going to think of Saber...?

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #173 on: November 07, 2014, 06:06:14 PM »
I don't see why I should care.

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« Reply #174 on: November 07, 2014, 10:34:05 PM »
It's cute you're still mad about this~
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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #175 on: November 07, 2014, 10:41:22 PM »
I'm not though.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #176 on: November 08, 2014, 10:17:30 AM »
He is channeling Inu.

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #177 on: November 08, 2014, 05:25:59 PM »
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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #178 on: November 08, 2014, 07:44:33 PM »
And what do you think your average King Arthur buff is going to think of Saber...?

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Re: Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works Anime
« Reply #179 on: November 08, 2014, 11:46:46 PM »


This made the episode good alone.