Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion

[Panda]

Sorry for not clarifying, but the staff extends/retracts too quickly for that.

Even then, you still could see being drawn out and being prepared to be extended. And even if it was nigh-instantly, it would still be extended in such a way that it the two ends would grow, instead of one end just growing. Because if it did the latter, Michael would be at a disadvantage.

I fail to see how you could see it 'preparing to be extended' given that it just lengthens/retracts at will, but I've already posted and there's nothing meaningful to be gained in arguing this further.

[Panda]

...Ivan, you do realize that Neo should have been sent flying, unless he has the kind of grip strength that lets you resist being basically ragdoll'd, right?

For reference, Human Grip strength vs Angular speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwo9AvTA5xY

[Ivan The Mouse]

...Ivan, you do realize that Neo should have been sent flying, unless he has the kind of grip strength that lets you resist being basically ragdoll'd, right?

Well, yeah. In fact, he is being thrown away right now. Back away from Michael.

[Panda]

Then he shouldn't have still been holding onto that staff before Michael retracted it.

[Ivan The Mouse]

Then he shouldn't have still been holding onto that staff before Michael retracted it.

Nope. The plan was to get close to him, break the flask and get thrown away when he extends the staff again. 

[Panda]

...Ivan, basic physics. Neo isn't holding onto that staff when Michael is swinging it and Neo around with Neo basically ragdolling.

[Ivan The Mouse]

...Ivan, basic physics. Neo isn't holding onto that staff when Michael is swinging it and Neo around with Neo basically ragdolling.

Well, I didn't understand your post. I interpreted it as Michael retracting the staff and re-extending it, in which Neo kept his hold on to it.

[Panda]

He did that after swinging it around to shake him off/bash him into any nearby environmental objects.

[Ivan The Mouse]

He did that after swinging it around to shake him off/bash him into any nearby environmental objects.

Well, he held.

[Cherry Lover]

...Ivan, basic physics. Neo isn't holding onto that staff when Michael is swinging it and Neo around with Neo basically ragdolling.

Basic physics isn't really on your side here, though. You are holding onto the rod close to the pivot point, he is holding it a long distance from the pivot point. You have to exert significantly more force to cause him to accelerate than he does to prevent it (or to cause you to accelerate, for that matter). And, using your body as the pivot point only causes it to be held stable at that point, it doesn't help with the acceleration.

[Panda]

Fair point. I suppose physics got thrown out the window when Neo grabbed a nigh-instantly extending staff pointed at him, but ah well. I can work with this anyway.

[Ivan The Mouse]

Fair point. I suppose physics got thrown out the window when Neo grabbed a nigh-instantly extending staff pointed at him, but ah well. I can work with this anyway.

He actually barely dodged it, before taking hold onto it.

[Ivan The Mouse]

Well, I have some complaints now.

How come Michael could quickly grab Neo's wrist to make him let go of the flask, when Neo quickly broke the flask by hitting it in the staff? Even if he has some sort of nigh-precognition, the very action of breaking a flask by hitting it in a nearby hard surface isn't directly threatening at all.

[Panda]

First of all, Neo put himself within Michael's reach when he held on to the staff when he retracted it to 8-feet long, as Michael pulled the staff in while retracting it. And, again, Michael was not kidding when he said that nothing Neo could do would surprise him. Michael is already sure Neo is an Alchemist, and when you're fighting an Alchemist it goes without saying that you don't let them use potions. Seeing the flask was enough.

[Cherry Lover]

Well, I have some complaints now.

How come Michael could quickly grab Neo's wrist to make him let go of the flask, when Neo quickly broke the flask by hitting it in the staff? Even if he has some sort of nigh-precognition, the very action of breaking a flask by hitting it in a nearby hard surface isn't directly threatening at all.

If someone you're fighting pulls out a flask, it's pretty obviously not for decoration. They're going to do something with it....