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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #255 on: November 21, 2014, 04:32:53 AM »
I should post Tar, but he doesn't have that much to say so far so I'll do it tomorrow. <,<
[13:38:37] Helligator: Depends on the god, but gods by definition in Nasuverse are strong because they have divine authority.
[13:38:48] Kat: Even the toilet god?
[13:38:56] Helligator: No one worships toilets.
[13:39:00] Helligator: Don't be a shitlord.

[04:32:08] Helligator: I can't make dragons in power armor like this

[19:50:12] francobull III: [...] why are you being all assive aggressive?

[23:32:37] Helligator: use the narrative as a means to convey an interesting story and cool conflicts with the openness you're allowed
[23:32:43] Helligator: not to CHEAT stories and conflicts

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #256 on: November 21, 2014, 04:56:23 AM »
And sorry to disappoint you, but the difference from D to A is absolutely significant. A rank Strength is theoretically 5/2 times the D rank Strength.

Twice as powerful isn't really worth an entire new rank, though/

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Also, Mike, you can't say that A rank is long above C rank but a D rank is not an order of magnitude worse than an A or A+ rank. You're contradicting yourself.

My point is that you can't have it both ways. Either servants should all be the same rank for everything, or else you should have another rank for high-rank servants rather than including A, B and C in Superhuman, because A is just as far above C as C is above E.

Mike, just make it superhuman and move on.

No point arguing about it man.

No, because no-one has actually told me to do that yet, and I think it's stupid.

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #257 on: November 21, 2014, 09:28:37 AM »
Superhuman is a vague range, so C~A can be there. It's just A+ and higher are in Legendary range.

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #258 on: November 21, 2014, 11:36:01 AM »
Sorry for derail, but is Hamara immune to drugs?
[8:49:50 AM] Daniel Mahan: He can still get RAEG
[8:49:52 AM] Daniel Mahan: Just better at not loosing his marbles over it.
[8:50:09 AM] Helligator:> losing his marbles over it
                                      I seeeee what you did there


[11:00:22 PM] francobull III: elf, will you do rin?
[11:00:33 PM] Jennifer Bratcher: I would love to do Rin!
[11:00:39 PM] Jennifer Bratcher: I'd bend her over and . . .
[11:00:45 PM] francobull III: woah woah

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #259 on: November 21, 2014, 11:48:24 AM »
Uhh, I have this impression he is, but ask Knick.

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #260 on: November 21, 2014, 01:26:23 PM »
Twice as powerful isn't really worth an entire new rank, though/

My point is that you can't have it both ways. Either servants should all be the same rank for everything, or else you should have another rank for high-rank servants rather than including A, B and C in Superhuman, because A is just as far above C as C is above E.

It kind of is, in my opinion.

And the abstractness of the CE ranks was precisely to avoid this kind of discussion. I always had the idea of splitting Servants between Supernatural and Superhuman, with Legendary only for the truly most amazing ones (bearing in mind Nasu's crap in regard to ranks). I'll leave it to Elf and Names's purview, because I don't really have any authority to tell you how not to describe Rider in the CE system anyways.
[13:38:37] Helligator: Depends on the god, but gods by definition in Nasuverse are strong because they have divine authority.
[13:38:48] Kat: Even the toilet god?
[13:38:56] Helligator: No one worships toilets.
[13:39:00] Helligator: Don't be a shitlord.

[04:32:08] Helligator: I can't make dragons in power armor like this

[19:50:12] francobull III: [...] why are you being all assive aggressive?

[23:32:37] Helligator: use the narrative as a means to convey an interesting story and cool conflicts with the openness you're allowed
[23:32:43] Helligator: not to CHEAT stories and conflicts

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #261 on: November 21, 2014, 01:31:32 PM »
Also, I hope Names stops being high on meds and graces us to review sheets.

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #262 on: November 21, 2014, 02:38:58 PM »
Twice as powerful isn't really worth an entire new rank, though/

My point is that you can't have it both ways. Either servants should all be the same rank for everything, or else you should have another rank for high-rank servants rather than including A, B and C in Superhuman, because A is just as far above C as C is above E.

It kind of is, in my opinion.

And the abstractness of the CE ranks was precisely to avoid this kind of discussion. I always had the idea of splitting Servants between Supernatural and Superhuman, with Legendary only for the truly most amazing ones (bearing in mind Nasu's crap in regard to ranks). I'll leave it to Elf and Names's purview, because I don't really have any authority to tell you how not to describe Rider in the CE system anyways.

Basically, legendary agility is someone like the fucking Flash
« Last Edit: November 21, 2014, 02:39:46 PM by I_care_not_till_I_must »
[8:49:50 AM] Daniel Mahan: He can still get RAEG
[8:49:52 AM] Daniel Mahan: Just better at not loosing his marbles over it.
[8:50:09 AM] Helligator:> losing his marbles over it
                                      I seeeee what you did there


[11:00:22 PM] francobull III: elf, will you do rin?
[11:00:33 PM] Jennifer Bratcher: I would love to do Rin!
[11:00:39 PM] Jennifer Bratcher: I'd bend her over and . . .
[11:00:45 PM] francobull III: woah woah

francobulli'd - Today at 4:53 PM
i litterally
said
FORCE
not penetration
sheesh



Sakura Today at 7:09 PM
don't see anything that triggers my gm senses

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #263 on: November 21, 2014, 03:03:25 PM »
Or Achilles.

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #264 on: November 21, 2014, 03:07:51 PM »
Let's stop arguing about it. There's no point.
[13:38:37] Helligator: Depends on the god, but gods by definition in Nasuverse are strong because they have divine authority.
[13:38:48] Kat: Even the toilet god?
[13:38:56] Helligator: No one worships toilets.
[13:39:00] Helligator: Don't be a shitlord.

[04:32:08] Helligator: I can't make dragons in power armor like this

[19:50:12] francobull III: [...] why are you being all assive aggressive?

[23:32:37] Helligator: use the narrative as a means to convey an interesting story and cool conflicts with the openness you're allowed
[23:32:43] Helligator: not to CHEAT stories and conflicts

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #265 on: November 21, 2014, 03:16:44 PM »
So Law isn't playing around right now. And Forest's rape bait nature's not really distracting him much from finding out what the hell is up with all this right now. Well, not much anyway. Team Suffering is now all together.

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #266 on: November 21, 2014, 03:59:29 PM »
Sorry for derail, but is Hamara immune to drugs?

Find out IC I have already said to much about his capabilities.

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #267 on: November 21, 2014, 04:46:23 PM »
Superhuman is a vague range, so C~A can be there. It's just A+ and higher are in Legendary range.

So is "supernatural", though. It makes no sense for me to have such a wide range for superhuman, and a much narrower one for supernatural, with a very arbitrary cut-off point.

Twice as powerful isn't really worth an entire new rank, though/

My point is that you can't have it both ways. Either servants should all be the same rank for everything, or else you should have another rank for high-rank servants rather than including A, B and C in Superhuman, because A is just as far above C as C is above E.

It kind of is, in my opinion.

And the abstractness of the CE ranks was precisely to avoid this kind of discussion. I always had the idea of splitting Servants between Supernatural and Superhuman, with Legendary only for the truly most amazing ones (bearing in mind Nasu's crap in regard to ranks). I'll leave it to Elf and Names's purview, because I don't really have any authority to tell you how not to describe Rider in the CE system anyways.

The problem is that you've made an arbitrary distinction between D and lower and C and higher, when there isn't a massive gap between the two in reality, and their exact stats are already known. If servant ranks really don't matter, then you should just use one rank for everything (except maybe a servant who is genuinely far, far below or above other servants), not arbitrarily divide them into two.

Sorry for derail, but is Hamara immune to drugs?

Find out IC I have already said to much about his capabilities.

Erm, no, it doesn't work like that. If your character has an ability, then it should be on your sheet and clear enough that people know what it does. "Find out ICly" is not an acceptable response to an OOC question.
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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #268 on: November 21, 2014, 04:48:32 PM »
Dude, he is an antagonist, his sheet is not disclosed for a reason.

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Re: Cross Effects 3.0 - The Third Time's the Charm? General Discussion
« Reply #269 on: November 21, 2014, 05:18:05 PM »
Mike, what Kat said.

Antagonist Sheets are not released to everyone for a reason, I have already said to much to people about what he can do, so I need to keep some things to my chest.