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[Arch-Magos Winter]

The fact that she seems to be obeying his orders, and he can smell some of him on her, though the blood smell is her primary scent.

[Cherry Lover]

I'm not sure how the way she is acting there comes across as obeying orders rather than supporting a friend. Although it's entirely plausible that he'd be able to tell they'd had sex, although technically she did briefly change back into her battle outfit and I think doing that would clean her up like going into spiritual form would.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

I'm not sure how the way she is acting there comes across as obeying orders rather than supporting a friend. Although it's entirely plausible that he'd be able to tell they'd had sex, although technically she did briefly change back into her battle outfit and I think doing that would clean her up like going into spiritual form would.

It's more that she's submitting to a mortals request when a fellow vampire is asking for privacy. Something Jack dislikes. Kin before Kine.

[Cherry Lover]

Ah, OK. So, basically, it's him working on the assumption she's a vampire.

What's he going to do when he finds out she's not...?

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Well, she kinda IS. She's just not an Apostle.

Think about it, she's an undead supernatural concept that drinks blood (and through it prana) to survive.

She's a freaking vampire, by most definitions of it. She's Kin, if not Kindred in his mind. Strange Kin, if the Beasts growling at her is slightly restrained, but still Kin.

[Cherry Lover]

Well, yeah, Rider herself did admit she was sort-of a vampire.

There's no chance in hell she's keeping any of his crap secret, though, her loyalty is to Sakura first and foremost and then to herself and other people she knows and cares about, she has none whatsoever to "kin". Not that she's stupid enough to tell him that....

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Rider wouldn't survive long in WoD then, Vampires are VERY protective of their secrets for a damn good reason. And he's really only going to tell her a few things -
She feeds on his territory, without permission, there will be blood. Frost is bad m'kay, and that if he even gets a whisper of schoolgirls getting drained to death she will never, ever, EVER see him coming.

[YOLF]

Spirit form is a wonderful thing.

[Cherry Lover]

Rider wouldn't survive long in WoD then, Vampires are VERY protective of their secrets for a damn good reason.

Yeah, well, Rider isn't in WoD. And, she's perfectly protective of her own secrets, she doesn't exactly go around advertising that she's Medusa after all. She just isn't going to protect his when doing so will disadvantage those she cares about.

And he's really only going to tell her a few things -
She feeds on his territory, without permission, there will be blood. Frost is bad m'kay, and that if he even gets a whisper of schoolgirls getting drained to death she will never, ever, EVER see him coming.

And she's going to laugh at him, at least mentally. For one thing, if any schoolgirls turn up drained to death as a result of her actions she'd be far more bothered about Sakura's response than his. He likely can't do jack shit to her, she's too fast.

Also, frankly, if any schoolgirls do show up drained it's probably not because of Rider. I would imagine that most vampires don't bother that much about who they attack....

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Speed doesn't matter when you will never see him coming.

Obsfucate is an even more wonderful thing sometimes. All he needs to do is get a good grip on Rider and things get very bad for her very fast.

[Cherry Lover]

I would be surprised if he was capable of killing Rider in that manner (particularly given her ability to go into spirit form if necessary), and if he is then he is really OP because there is literally no way for anyone to fight back.

Also, he is being rather presumptive here, in assuming that any schoolgirls attacked are her fault. The attitude he's taking is getting him dangerously close to "this guy is too dangerous, just kill him now", especially if she knew his true abilities.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Once he attacks someone, Obsfucate deactivates for a little bit IIRC. It's one of those little things.

Really, Jack has his weaknesses, but it isn't going to be easy to take him out through the sheer variety of ways he can attack, retreat, and escape.

Kindred are terrifying opponents when they fight smart.

[lantzblades]

Wod vampires aren't that strong, there's no way they can drop a hero in one hit, especially Rider

[Cherry Lover]

Once he attacks someone, Obsfucate deactivates for a little bit IIRC. It's one of those little things.

Well, yes, but that isn't exactly helpful if the person is already dead at that point. You are saying that you made a character that can literally one-hit kill pretty much any character in the game with no way for us to even try to defend ourselves....

Really, Jack has his weaknesses, but it isn't going to be easy to take him out through the sheer variety of ways he can attack, retreat, and escape.

Kindred are terrifying opponents when they fight smart.

I would be amazed if Jack could come close to defeating Rider in a straight fight. It's possible that he could escape, but she is seriously quick.

[YOLF]

To be fair, any Servant would have physical attributes of 5 or exponentially higher in NWoD.

Actually, I wonder if Kindred can even harm Servants with weapons that are not supernatural in some way. Or even with their bare hands. It comes back to the whole "can mundane weapons hurt a servant when it is materialized" debate.