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Re: Cross Effects - Sign Up, Discussion Page
« Reply #3630 on: January 08, 2014, 06:20:39 AM »
Partly yes YOLF. Most people no.

and I'm prickly because this was the simplest thing in the world and now Rin is planning to murder them.

sorry mike my characters have to leave now, enjoy Kiyoshi getting ignored dude

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« Reply #3631 on: January 08, 2014, 06:21:32 AM »
Oh, the computer's fine now. The Page Down key is broken, but no one gives a fuck about it, me included, so I've elected to continue pretending it doesn't exist.

Anyway, intro post as soon as I stop being a lazy shithead!

(and keep going on with adventure, guys)

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« Reply #3632 on: January 08, 2014, 06:27:50 AM »
...Uh, lantz? She's just telling them to freeze because she's suspicious of what's in the really suspicious trunk. She's not going to fight unless she has to. And she's also kinda outnumbered, so it's more of a precautionary measure than anything. Which I did edit to account for the new information, but like YOLF, awesome dude that he is, mentioned, it hardly changed anything. 

Also... Jack's kinda downstairs right now. Away from Lin. So using that as an excuse to not say what's in the trunk is bullshit.

And you ignored Kiyoshi anyway, you asshole, when he asked about his damn mother being threatened no less. So quite frankly... good riddance~

And on topics that aren't lantz being a moron (yes, I used a mild insult, this his how far this crap has gone), good to hear, Bloble! :D Too bad about the Page Down key, but tis a small price to pay. :)
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« Reply #3633 on: January 08, 2014, 06:30:57 AM »
Whatever Alice. You call me names and shit and then demand respect, I don't know how you grew up but bullying and name calling does not equal respect.

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« Reply #3634 on: January 08, 2014, 06:33:14 AM »
Okay. Hold on. Is Rin really ignoring her younger self pointing what's possibly a charged Gandr at them? And is everyone else?

Wuh?
[13:38:37] Helligator: Depends on the god, but gods by definition in Nasuverse are strong because they have divine authority.
[13:38:48] Kat: Even the toilet god?
[13:38:56] Helligator: No one worships toilets.
[13:39:00] Helligator: Don't be a shitlord.

[04:32:08] Helligator: I can't make dragons in power armor like this

[19:50:12] francobull III: [...] why are you being all assive aggressive?

[23:32:37] Helligator: use the narrative as a means to convey an interesting story and cool conflicts with the openness you're allowed
[23:32:43] Helligator: not to CHEAT stories and conflicts

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Re: Cross Effects - Sign Up, Discussion Page
« Reply #3635 on: January 08, 2014, 06:36:10 AM »
Yeah, that last post was...rushed.
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« Reply #3636 on: January 08, 2014, 06:37:46 AM »
I used to treat you with respect, lantz, but you spat in my face and spat in my face and spat in my face over and over and over and over and over again, for the past 4-5 months. I've cried and stressed god knows how often for the past two months on your account. You've made my life miserable for far too long, lantz, and now I'm putting all my cards out on the table.

 And funny you bring that up now lantz, when there is nothing to save how I feel about you in my eyes. You are a sociopathic cowardly liar, and one of the most retched people I've had the immense displeasure of meeting.

I haven't insulted you until now, lantz. And it was a minor insult at that (well, OK, what I said in this post was slightly worse, but it wasn't until this point, so my point still stands)

For that lovely little piece of slander, general disrespect towards fucking everyone, and generally being a terrible person, this is a warning. Shape up, or ship out.
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« Reply #3637 on: January 08, 2014, 07:34:45 AM »
And since I got this weird numb feeling where I don't feel those pesky emotions anymore without the aid of drugs or alcohol just right before I started typing that post, and am also kinda worried about fate of the forum sorts of things, please give me feedback on that last post. While probably the insults in there weren't needed... To be honest, I kinda did that thing that I said previously that I shouldn't do where I let lantz get to me sort of things. But yeah, since I'm worried, people that aren't lantz please give feedback.

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« Reply #3638 on: January 08, 2014, 07:55:13 AM »
I think there's always going to be someone you can't get along with. That's part of being human. Sometimes, people just click, both in the best way and occasionally in the worst. Magos and lantz, you and lantz, you're just rubbing each other the wrong way, and in this case I don't think any amount of politeness or attempts at discussion are going to change that.

Leaving aside who's in the wrong here, in an attempt to be slightly impartial, I think we can all agree that some people are more stubborn than others. lantz is possibly one of the most stubborn, thick headed people I know besides my mother, which is neither good nor bad on its own. Hell, stubborn people run this world. Sticking to your guns no matter what is considered a good thing in many places. In this situation, though, I'd say that he's simply not going to listen to you, ever. lantz was in BL before I arrived, giving him more than 3 years of experience in dealing with tough and competent admins, Elf among them. He, like Mike, is not going to change because of someone else telling him that he's wrong. It's just not happening, and all the well thought out arguments in the world won't help you. You're not the first who's getting worked up because of his actions, and you won't be the last.

So I say calm down. You've done some good work here. This forum is growing. This RP has escaped the BL RP curse and is actually continuing for more than a month with still frequent posting. You've attracted good posters like YOLF, Aiden, and, dare I say it, myself to come over. You've made some damn fine porn with a published writer, and the World of Darkness group is having fun roleplaying with you every Saturday or Sunday. That's something.

As for dealing with lantz and how he makes you feel, I'd say to leave your interactions mostly to the IC thread. Since arguing here is only going to make him more stubborn and irritate you, don't do it unless you have to. He can argue against you, but he has to react to your in character actions, and we'll call him out on it if he does any kind of bullshit. This way, you can gain some emotional distance from the situation and only deal with him when you have to, rather than getting sucked into the debate and stressing out every time he does something horrible, which he'll keep on doing no matter what you say until he's banned or kicked out of the RP.

As for the warning, only you and Elf can decide if it was justified. I highly doubt lantz will ever get another one for quite some time, since he's good at toeing the line and being just reasonable enough to not get himself punished for it. For now, just relax and have some hot chocolate. It's freezing out there.

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Re: Cross Effects - Sign Up, Discussion Page
« Reply #3639 on: January 08, 2014, 08:06:32 AM »
I'll be honest here. I apologize in advance if I sound rude to anyone.

I think that lantz's lack of cooperation is one of the prime causes to no one understanding him. I've noted this before when I tried to calm down a previous argument, occasion during the which I also pleaded for an effort from everyone involved (but mostly lantz and Magos) to not let stuff like that happen again. At the time, lantz did not consent to my request because from his point of view certain people were not deserving of that effort as it stood. Or in other words, he didn't have it in him to be the first to work towards a general improvement of the situation.

While I'm not saying that he's the only person who deserves to be judged for behavior underneath the standards and actions that led to several disagreements in this thread, I do think that the situation right now is not acceptable, because both when we ask for explanations and argue narration details OOC, or when it is his time to post IC, lantz does not seem to take into account the viewpoints of others much and - from my view at least - places our positions and complaints, whether legitimate or not, beneath him. Constantly. I do not think this to be acceptable. So if a warning is what will take for lantz to change the way he handles these matters, I agree with it.

That said, Alice, you've noted yourself that you are biased against lantz for multiple reasons already, and that the stress of interacting with him is affecting you. So, not meaning to offend you, I advise you against posting about this subject in your capacity as an administrator, at least for now. Until you honestly feel like you can manage this situation in a completely objective manner and without coming to verbal blows with lantz due to previous bias, even if it be justified, I think it's for the best if you take your mind off it it a little, trust the judgement of the mods, or talk about them in private about this and let them handle it in your stead.

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Bloble put my last point better than I did, and I agree with his suggestions. He has good judgement, I feel, so listening to him should prove fruitful.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 08:10:34 AM by YOLF »
[13:38:37] Helligator: Depends on the god, but gods by definition in Nasuverse are strong because they have divine authority.
[13:38:48] Kat: Even the toilet god?
[13:38:56] Helligator: No one worships toilets.
[13:39:00] Helligator: Don't be a shitlord.

[04:32:08] Helligator: I can't make dragons in power armor like this

[19:50:12] francobull III: [...] why are you being all assive aggressive?

[23:32:37] Helligator: use the narrative as a means to convey an interesting story and cool conflicts with the openness you're allowed
[23:32:43] Helligator: not to CHEAT stories and conflicts

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« Reply #3640 on: January 08, 2014, 08:25:59 AM »
@Bloble, honestly, I don't honestly think I can properly articulate or put into words how much I appreciate what you just said, but I'm going to make what's likely a pathetic attempt at it anyway. Because that's how I roll (well, when I'm not rolling moely low rolls that is). Thank you. Thank you so much. I honestly really, really, really appreciate that.

...How fitting that the fan of bro characters is a bro himself. :3

@YOLF: Nah, no offense taken. Your words are still good words (By the way, the general lack of emoticons is an attempt to address this in a more upfrontly serious manner, so if it seems freaky, don't worry too much about it). I actually agree entirely with everything you said.

Well, almost, and it's not even technically a disagreement as much as a proposal. ...We need more mods. And I honestly think we have some really good candidates here, but I didn't want to force it on anyone or make a recruitment thread and make people feel bad about being turned down. Well, now I'm making that open. ...We need more mods! If anyone's interested in the position, please let me know. ...And please don't anyone be hurt if you're turned down for the position, though I'm not thinking that'll be the case for anyone.

But yeah, now that I got that little announcement out of the way, you're absolutely right, I probably do need to let someone else handle the lantz stuff, at least for awhile until I'm less emotionally charged about it again. Which is why I'm putting that little recruitment statement out in the open, so that's possible.

...Maybe Nachos is right, maybe I need a vacation. The hot coco Bloble mentioned is probably a requirement bare minimum. Any recommendations on flavors? (Honestly, really off topic, but anything to lighten up the mood is probably chocolaty goodness for this thread right now).
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« Reply #3641 on: January 08, 2014, 08:50:55 AM »
Actually Bloble you don't know what you are talking about in regards to me. I have changed my mind on several occasions due to well thought out discussion and debate. I have repeatedly tried to address the very simple issues I have in general regarding the way people attempt to"convince" me of their points and largely no one listens.

after awhile I got sick of repeating myself and simply state my opinion and leave it as is because if no one intends on listening when I speak then I find no reason to listen in turn.

I have done nothing wrong to deserve a warning here as far as I am concerned. I am not a sociopath,liar, misogynist, egotist or any of the other thing Alice has slandered me as in her massive tirades on this forum.

I am not a terrible person, I will not be treated as a criminal.

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« Reply #3642 on: January 08, 2014, 09:04:35 AM »
lantz, I'm not taking back my words. Everything I've said about you is simple observation. The only concession I'll give you is that I've never had enough interest in your affairs to look into your history before BL 2.0. This is merely what I've seen in your posts, both here and back on BL. In your story threads, you consistently refused to acknowledge any of the criticism that the members of BL (several of which are excellent authors in their own right) gave you, to the point of deleting several threads after a negative reception to them by the general public. The quality of the stories themselves doesn't concern me (in fact, I've never read a single one) but your reaction to the criticism was just as stubborn and hard-headed as your current behaviour. The only person I remember you being friends with is Mike, though that doesn't account for private conversations I might've not noticed. You eventually all but left the forum to come here, and in this roleplay you've not once managed to make a decent compromise with anyone, barring a few meaningless apologies that changed nothing in the end. In addition, you've already gotten several people pissed off at you, to the point where Alice has had a near breakdown, and Magos, who's usually a pretty cool guy, can't look at your avatar without wanting to strangle a kitten.

Now, to be fair, you're not horrible. You're not a troll, and you're certainly not actively malicious. If I had to describe you in animal terms, I'd call you a hippo or an elephant. Does whatever the hell he wants, and has skin thicker than a tire. But for whatever reason, you piss people off, and not in a good way. And the worst part of that is the fact that you keep trying to blame others for it, rather than acknowledging the possibility that it might be you.

So yeah, you're not a terrible person, or a criminal. You're not a sociopath, a liar, a misogynist, or an egotist.

You're just a bit of a prick.

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« Reply #3643 on: January 08, 2014, 09:07:43 AM »
Actually Bloble you don't know what you are talking about in regards to me. I have changed my mind on several occasions due to well thought out discussion and debate. I have repeatedly tried to address the very simple issues I have in general regarding the way people attempt to"convince" me of their points and largely no one listens.

after awhile I got sick of repeating myself and simply state my opinion and leave it as is because if no one intends on listening when I speak then I find no reason to listen in turn.

I have done nothing wrong to deserve a warning here as far as I am concerned. I am not a sociopath,liar, misogynist, egotist or any of the other thing Alice has slandered me as in her massive tirades on this forum.

I am not a terrible person, I will not be treated as a criminal.

For you to be treated like a criminal you would've had to blatantly violate forum rules and actually be banned.

A warning is just a warning lantz. And it's out of consideration for you. Remember that.

Also, what Bloble said. Bloble for DSM mod 2014! :3
[13:38:37] Helligator: Depends on the god, but gods by definition in Nasuverse are strong because they have divine authority.
[13:38:48] Kat: Even the toilet god?
[13:38:56] Helligator: No one worships toilets.
[13:39:00] Helligator: Don't be a shitlord.

[04:32:08] Helligator: I can't make dragons in power armor like this

[19:50:12] francobull III: [...] why are you being all assive aggressive?

[23:32:37] Helligator: use the narrative as a means to convey an interesting story and cool conflicts with the openness you're allowed
[23:32:43] Helligator: not to CHEAT stories and conflicts

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« Reply #3644 on: January 08, 2014, 09:20:02 AM »
If Bloble wants to become a mod, I'll totally give him the hat right now. :3 Hell, he was one of the people I was considering asking about putting a mod hat on but didn't want to pressure him into anything. ...The others I'll let stay a secret for now. Because mystery.

Also, nothing on hot coco flavors yet? :< Though marshmallows are the one thing I probably won't budge on, they're a hot coco staple damn it. Because what's hot coco without marshmallowy goodness?

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