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Re: Cross Effects - Sign Up, Discussion Page
« Reply #4455 on: January 28, 2014, 10:09:26 PM »
Daiki, Van might be brought back, I'm flipping a coin on that one. Otherwise, Shuya's too far gone to bring back. Whatever Van does after the embrace is up to you, but Jack won't be embracing Isa. He'd end up on the fast track to becoming a Draugr if he did so.

Why is it OK for him to embrace Nessa but not Isa?

Guess what arch? You have no say in how I do things. Deal with it
Guess what? For some reason, you seem to have thrown out all the canon of the Nasuverse. You should just publish 'Of Swords and Sorcery' as original fiction because you're basically taking nothing from the setting if this basic fucking rule is ignored.

Arch, calm down....

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« Reply #4456 on: January 28, 2014, 10:10:41 PM »
...OH GOD YOU'RE BRINGING IN THE PROTAGONIST FROM DARK SOULS!
One VERY SPECIFIC iteration of the protagonist from dark souls.

Spoiler for Hiden:

(Okay so I lied about the miracles, so sue me)

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« Reply #4457 on: January 28, 2014, 10:13:14 PM »
Daiki, Van might be brought back, I'm flipping a coin on that one. Otherwise, Shuya's too far gone to bring back. Whatever Van does after the embrace is up to you, but Jack won't be embracing Isa. He'd end up on the fast track to becoming a Draugr if he did so.

Why is it OK for him to embrace Nessa but not Isa?

Guess what arch? You have no say in how I do things. Deal with it
Guess what? For some reason, you seem to have thrown out all the canon of the Nasuverse. You should just publish 'Of Swords and Sorcery' as original fiction because you're basically taking nothing from the setting if this basic fucking rule is ignored.

Arch, calm down....
Here's why - embracing both of them will probably send him into a spiral at the end of which is becoming a Draugr. The Embrace immediately severs a chunk of his humanity from him, and he's already lost some here. If it's acceptable to embrace the pair of them, then that opens a can of worms morality wise for him.

Hence why I'm not embracing either (Blame the coin), because honestly if Daiki wants his characters to stay dead, he has that right.

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« Reply #4458 on: January 28, 2014, 10:13:23 PM »
Yes mike it would. Short answer it's part of his legend and no longer needs saber because it's his for real and not borrowed. The actual how he got the sheathe is a story for another time. But that's as much as I'll say as long as Arch chooses to act as he does

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« Reply #4459 on: January 28, 2014, 10:17:19 PM »
Again. They're dead. Brain dead. And if not, the brain damage to Isa and Van pretty much dictates he'd heal them into being vegetables.

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« Reply #4460 on: January 28, 2014, 10:18:00 PM »
Unless he's the lady of the lake it's still super questionable

and if he is it's also questionable, though less because crossdressing

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Re: Cross Effects - Sign Up, Discussion Page
« Reply #4461 on: January 28, 2014, 10:38:34 PM »
Yet again arch you don't decide how my characters and their powers work.

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« Reply #4462 on: January 28, 2014, 10:43:54 PM »
No, but they still should fit with canon.

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« Reply #4463 on: January 28, 2014, 10:55:43 PM »
ok, let's make this simpler:

Does his healing involve rewinding time?

If so fix to 100% is possible.

If not, even if he fixes the brain back to 100%, what's been lost has been lost anyway, and all they have is free space.

science

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« Reply #4464 on: January 28, 2014, 10:59:52 PM »
Sure, but I'm pretty sure that science also says you can't transfer someone's soul into a doll body and have it work like normal....

As far as I can tell, in the Nasuverse as long as your soul is attached to the body it is possible for magic to heal you fully. Certainly Shirou seems perfectly fine post-HF, despite his mind being practically destroyed by Archer's arm.

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« Reply #4465 on: January 28, 2014, 11:06:46 PM »
Ilya true magic bullshit

magecraft can do what science can do(sorta), true magic can do what science can't

Science cannot fix brains to the exact state of BEFORE they were damaged

ergo science

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« Reply #4466 on: January 28, 2014, 11:59:34 PM »
If the soul is present then full heal, simple as that names, brain death marks the soul's exit from the body, end of story.

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« Reply #4467 on: January 29, 2014, 12:11:22 AM »
Ilya true magic bullshit

magecraft can do what science can do(sorta), true magic can do what science can't

Science cannot fix brains to the exact state of BEFORE they were damaged

ergo science

The problem with that argument is that science also isn't capable of regenerating someone's heart or producing weapons out of thin air. I don't think it's quite as simple as "magecraft can't heal brain damage", although the fact that Rin's mum is never healed is some indication that something odd is going on there.

Plus, in any case, Avalon is on the same level as True Magic. It does stuff that magecraft cannot reproduce.

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« Reply #4468 on: January 29, 2014, 12:26:59 AM »
The problem with that argument is that science also isn't capable of regenerating someone's heart or producing weapons out of thin air. I don't think it's quite as simple as "magecraft can't heal brain damage", although the fact that Rin's mum is never healed is some indication that something odd is going on there.

Plus, in any case, Avalon is on the same level as True Magic. It does stuff that magecraft cannot reproduce.
If we wanna be reaaaally technical here:
You could "regenerate" a person's "missing organ" through a "process" called "transplant".
Similarly, while Shirou's "skill" of "making stuff out of thin air" is an oddity (and pointed out as such in-story), the base process of "create an object" is still there and science-doable; it's just the method that's not.
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« Reply #4469 on: January 29, 2014, 12:41:09 AM »
You could "regenerate" a person's "missing organ" through a "process" called "transplant".

Erm, no, you can't. That's not regenerating their organ, that's sticking a completely different organ in there which happens to work just as well.

In a similar manner, you could theoretically perform a brain transplant (certainly with infinite time to design the equipment, anyway). It would just be somewhat pointless and extremely unethical (as well as most likely not working for any length of time, because if your immune system starts attacking your brain you're fucked...).
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