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[Arch-Magos Winter]

Well, that's a waste of magic there Suetoshit. It isn't like anyone is going to desecrate those corpses.

[OPOI]

Well, that's a waste of magic there Suetoshit. It isn't like anyone is going to desecrate those corpses.

Yeah that was a bit of an obvious jab from Lantz there...

Wonder how Mewtwo's gonna react to Shirou practically torturing Lucas right in front of him...

[Mooncake]

Poor Lucas

I'll wait for Elf to post before I do something, I think.

[Alice]

Wonder how Mewtwo's gonna react to Shirou practically torturing Lucas right in front of him...

Rather well, all things considered. I mean, it'll make part of him uncomfortable considering what he himself went through, but otherwise, he's not going to care too much because Lucas was there to capture/kill Forest anyway. ...Plus Tom can be kinda a dick sometimes. :V Because cat.

And lantz... considering that it's physically impossible for Toshi to have found the corpses on the way downstairs because they were upstairs, and since neither Lancer or Mille have gone yet, I suggest editing out the barrier and healing nonsense, because it disrupts the crime scene, it's blatant metagaming because of what happened with Magos in the thread, and it's also rather rude because it basically ignores that there are people that need to go ahead of you on that front.

[Cherry Lover]

Yeah, I'm not sure how Toshi would have accidentially run into the bodies, they're not on the route from the room he's in to the fight. So, yeah, I think he does need to explain why he headed in that direction or else edit it.

As for you being first, though, whilst you're right that Lantz has posted twice with Toshi since you last posted with Mille and Lancer, Toshi hasn't been interacting with them (indeed, you posted twice with them between Lantz's previous two posts), and Magos posted about five times with Jack in between Lantz's posts, resulting in him doing something that Lantz specifically didn't want to happen, so I don't think you can really complain on that front. There was no indication that Mille and Lancer had any intention to go towards their bodies and no real reason why Lantz should be expected to wait for your post.

Also, I don't think it is "metagaming", Magos has shown no indication that he intends to drink their blood, and Toshi does seem to value respecting the dead rather highly (plus, attempting to heal them makes perfect sense), although I guess he probably should explain why exactly Toshi felt the need to put that barrier up without reference to OOC knowledge. But, if he can do that, the only issue I see is that there is no reason why Toshi would even find the bodies if he's heading for the main battle (and, if he's not, then his challenge seems rather weird). The "disturbing the crime scene" argument is not valid, either. Attempting to save a life is way more important than that, and the barrier if anything helps preserve the crime scene.

[Elf]

Well, that's a waste of magic there Suetoshit. It isn't like anyone is going to desecrate those corpses.

Magos, please quit being combative.

However, Forest would probably want to inspect the bodies to find out who killed them once she's able to.

And I will post tonight!

[Cherry Lover]

Well, I assume all she has to do is ask Toshi and he'll remove the barrier. Working out who killed them is perfectly sensible.

[Alice]

Or he could just edit out that part of the post. Because again, he wouldn't have come across them on the way downstairs.

[Cherry Lover]

Well, that's up to Lantz, but he does need to either edit it out or explain how he came across them and why he acted as he did, yes.

I don't think it's as simple as just editing it out and changing nothing else, though. The stuff dealing with the bodies is the main point of the post, so if he removes that he probably needs to have Toshi do something else instead.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

That's part of the point of my post- Suetoshi has both:
a) Wasted magic on something relatively unneeded and in a way has already violated the crime scene. Attempting to heal someone who doesn't have a fucking heart (Seriously. What the hell dude, basic triage or a functioning pair of eyes would have said it wasn't worth it) and touching her corpse enough to get blood on him is already disturbing the evidence. Jacks guilty of that too, but honestly he gives no fucks because he needs blood.
And b) Even though I made 5 posts, what was going on was happening at a faster pace, and between just two characters. I also kept the basic structure of the building in mind- there is no possible way for Suetoshi to come across those bodies if he's going downstairs.  Furthermore, it's rather hypocritical of him to turn tail and run after that little chunni speech.

[Cherry Lover]

a) Wasted magic on something relatively unneeded and in a way has already violated the crime scene. Attempting to heal someone who doesn't have a fucking heart (Seriously. What the hell dude, basic triage or a functioning pair of eyes would have said it wasn't worth it) and touching her corpse enough to get blood on him is already disturbing the evidence. Jacks guilty of that too, but honestly he gives no fucks because he needs blood.

Obviously he didn't see it as "unneeded", and the fact that she's missing a heart doesn't automatically mean she cannot possibly be revived (if it did, then Satoshi wouldn't exist because Shirou would have died when Lancer stabbed him). Sure, it might have been unlikely, but even if there's only a 0.1% chance it's still worth trying, especially when you have Toshi-level healing powers.

And b) Even though I made 5 posts, what was going on was happening at a faster pace, and between just two characters.

I don't think that your five posts took less time than Satoshi's two posts here, so that is not a valid excuse at all. And, Jack drinking Nessa's blood certainly did not involve only two characters, Lantz made it abundantly clear he wanted to stop it.

I also kept the basic structure of the building in mind- there is no possible way for Suetoshi to come across those bodies if he's going downstairs.

Well, you hardly communicated where everything had happened particularly well, so I would imagine that that is just an oversight on Lantz's part. He's hardly the only person to have done such a thing.

Furthermore, it's rather hypocritical of him to turn tail and run after that little chunni speech.

Again, that's up to Lantz. It would seem odd, though, so he'll probably change it now the position of the bodies has been pointed out to him.

Having said that, he did say his intention was to go play healer, so he might well go after them anyway. Healing someone who is critically injured (he has no reason to suspect they're already dead until he gets there, Forest certainly didn't) is more urgent than fighting off the threat that is already well-contained and has several others heading for it.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

There's a difference between a stab wound to the heart (which is medically survivable for a surprisingly long time) and having your entire heart ripped out. The problem is also with his healing powers- if Rin can't create a new heart from scratch, he shouldn't be able to. And there is no hint of it on his sheet, he shouldn't be able to do it.

For another thing, the whole corpse thing was pretty much an excuse from the start to screw over Jack. He's really horrible at hiding it.

[YOLF]

Look guys, this argument is really simple.

Did lantz disturb the roleplaying of anyone else by applying meta-knowledge in Satoshi putting up barriers over those bodies? No. Is it contrived that he ran into the bodies on his way down? Slightly, but the important thing is the first answer.

It's not bothering anyone's roleplaying or abusively restricting in-character actions on purpose, so walk it off and assume Satoshi stopped there before going down because he noticed the scent of blood. And just take the scene for what it shows, i.e., characterization of Satoshi: we now know that he has very strong respect for the diseased.

Now shut it and roleplay.


P.S.: Fun fact. Uchiten is one character who would've been quite annoyed at Satoshi for preserving bodies on purpose if he saw it.

[Alice]

Actually, it makes it harder for Mille and Lancer to examine the bodies. The blood spatter was part of how I was going to have Mille connect the dots that it was Ruu that did it. They were heading upstairs to examine the carnage.

The fact that he did that was not very nice to me because it didn't even get my post in beforehand, because I was waiting for Elf. Just because lantz thinks I'm the spawn of Satan now apparently doesn't give him the right to just disregard me like that. So it was disruptive, even in a minor sense.

So yes, I would like him to edit it out in respect for Elf and myself, because quite frankly, it was rude of him to do that just so he could do a "take that" to Magos.

Plus if he's going to pedantically insist that people edit their posts over even more minor things than that, he should be held to the same exact standard.

[Cherry Lover]

There's a difference between a stab wound to the heart (which is medically survivable for a surprisingly long time) and having your entire heart ripped out. The problem is also with his healing powers- if Rin can't create a new heart from scratch, he shouldn't be able to. And there is no hint of it on his sheet, he shouldn't be able to do it.

Having your heart ripped out is still not instantly fatal. The only thing that is is destruction of the brain. Even people who are beheaded don't die immediately, IIRC.

And, well, the power comes from Avalon. I don't see anything saying he can heal other people on his sheet, but I see a few things that could be interpreted as saying that. I think Lantz should clarify it more, but I suspect he will say it is already there.

For another thing, the whole corpse thing was pretty much an excuse from the start to screw over Jack. He's really horrible at hiding it.

Even if that is true, you can hardly complain given your past actions.

Look guys, this argument is really simple.

Did lantz disturb the roleplaying of anyone else by applying meta-knowledge in Satoshi putting up barriers over those bodies? No. Is it contrived that he ran into the bodies on his way down? Slightly, but the important thing is the first answer.

It's not bothering anyone's roleplaying or abusively restricting in-character actions on purpose, so walk it off and assume Satoshi stopped there before going down because he noticed the scent of blood. And just take the scene for what it shows, i.e., characterization of Satoshi: we now know that he has very strong respect for the diseased.

Now shut it and roleplay.

Well, I think there is a legitimate question about how exactly he got to the bodies, because the bodies are in the exact opposite direction to the fight. However, I am almost certain that is an oversight on his part due to Magos not really explaining what the hell was going on with his characters very well rather than a deliberate act on Lantz's part. Particularly since I recall making the exact same mistake when discussing the location of the bodies (not sure if it's on here or not, but I think Lantz has Magos on ignore so even if it was he might not have noticed it).

Actually, it makes it harder for Mille and Lancer to examine the bodies. The blood spatter was part of how I was going to have Mille connect the dots that it was Ruu that did it. They were heading upstairs to examine the carnage.

The fact that he did that was not very nice to me because it didn't even get my post in beforehand, because I was waiting for Elf. Just because lantz thinks I'm the spawn of Satan now apparently doesn't give him the right to just disregard me like that. I might honestly have to act as if he didn't act at all for things to still make sense. So it was disruptive, even in a minor sense.

I can understand that, but it wasn't intentional, and Magos did exactly the same thing to Lantz only a couple of days back (and intentionally, too). I don't see any indication that Lantz was trying to screw you over. As far as Lantz was concerned, Lancer and Mille were not involved in his stuff, so there was no reason for him to wait for them, just like you guys haven't been waiting for those of us upstairs when doing your stuff downstairs.

So yes, I would like him to edit it out in respect for Elf and myself, because quite frankly, it was rude of him to do that just so he could do a "take that" to Magos.

Plus if he's going to pedantically insist that people edit their posts over even more minor things than that, he should be held to the same exact standard.

Well, possibly he should have waited for Elf, but he is certainly not close to the first person to not do so, so I don't see why he should be expected to edit his post to essentially say "Toshi does nothing" when far more irritating instances of the same thing have been left to stand.