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Re: Cross Effects - Sign Up, Discussion Page
« Reply #2640 on: December 19, 2013, 12:13:34 AM »
From what I understand, the reason that the normal humans have stats along the lines of those more powerful than they themselves are is because each is judged against their own tier. Rin and Hakuno are gaged against other humans, Archer uses the usual Servant rankings, etc. That's what I understand of it anyway, and why I gave people the stats I gave them. Probably some clarification along those lines wouldn't hurt, though.

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« Reply #2641 on: December 19, 2013, 12:17:43 AM »
There should probably be something more useful for judging comparison to each other , not just 'on their own tier', is what I'm saying yeah.

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« Reply #2642 on: December 19, 2013, 12:20:02 AM »
I dunno. I think there should be some ambiguity in it, so we can have people from different series fighting without too much incompatibility. Like, there's human, superhuman, and curayzee, and stuff.

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« Reply #2643 on: December 19, 2013, 12:24:04 AM »
You just want Fate and Luka to have a fight/match so we can spam all sorts of different techniques at each other.
[13:38:37] Helligator: Depends on the god, but gods by definition in Nasuverse are strong because they have divine authority.
[13:38:48] Kat: Even the toilet god?
[13:38:56] Helligator: No one worships toilets.
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[19:50:12] francobull III: [...] why are you being all assive aggressive?

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« Reply #2644 on: December 19, 2013, 12:24:23 AM »
I'm looking at the character sheets between active periods here and I'm thinking we should maybe go over them and standardize them a bit. Like, some sheets reference stats that others don't, or leave certain things out.

Well, there is a standard template on the first page, but the RP is free-form enough that people don't have to use it. Some characters have stats that are important for them but meaningless for others.

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There are also an inordinate number of characters who are physically ordinary humans who somehow have stats that rival or exceed those of beings like vampires.

Actually, that's intentional. The power levels vary so wildly between types of character that any attempt to standardise them would make them meaningless. So, they're defined relative to what the character is.

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For example, compare Old Man Henderson and Angel. Or the fact that some sheets reference Intelligence or Endurance and others don't.

Well, I would say that removing information from sheets is not a good idea, and forcing people to make up stats they don't really care about is also not a good idea, so I don't think there is any easy way to standardise it.

There should probably be something more useful for judging comparison to each other , not just 'on their own tier', is what I'm saying yeah.

The problem is that if you do that, then every servant gets basically the same stats, because they're all far closer in power to each other than they are to an ordinary human.

I think that the system as it is works reasonably well if your characters are canonical to the Nasuverse or are directly comparible to ones that are, because we already know the relative powerlevels there and the information would be useless otherwise (or you would need a far larger scale to fit everything in). For characters from outside the Nasuverse who aren't ordinary humans, however, some comparison between their type of thing and similar things in the Nasuverse would be quite useful.
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« Reply #2645 on: December 19, 2013, 12:43:14 AM »
You just want Fate and Luka to have a fight/match so we can spam all sorts of different techniques at each other.

I'm not going to deny this.

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« Reply #2646 on: December 19, 2013, 12:48:22 AM »
I'm going to have to somewhat call into question the need for the letter ranks if they ultimately don't mean much.

I mean besides the fact that assigning letter ranks to stuff is fun.

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« Reply #2647 on: December 19, 2013, 01:00:57 AM »
They make it clearer what the person's strengths and weaknesses are. For example, even if you don't know what E rank Strength and A rank Agility mean objectively, you can judge them relative to each other, and thus the character as a whole.

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« Reply #2648 on: December 19, 2013, 01:14:53 AM »
I'm going to have to somewhat call into question the need for the letter ranks if they ultimately don't mean much.

I mean besides the fact that assigning letter ranks to stuff is fun.

Well, they are meaningful in that a servant with a rank A is stronger than one with a rank C, and a human with a rank A is stronger than one with a rank C. The only time they're not really that helpful is when you're matching characters from two different universes with each other.

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« Reply #2649 on: December 19, 2013, 01:22:12 AM »
If we're familiar with the universe somewhat, even if not with the character, we can judge her relatively to her setting based on her stats.

I mean, like so: Fate's stats on his sheet are still more or less appropriate for the Servant Stats scale, but they're also reflective of his standing within the universe. Whereas if I'd stat'ed like, say, Jack Rakan, he'd definitely have at least an A+ in Strength and higher values in Agility and Speed.

Still, yeah, I get that it can be confusing when comparing characters from different settings, but what we're gonna do? We've all gotta compromise a little.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2013, 01:23:14 AM by YOLF »
[13:38:37] Helligator: Depends on the god, but gods by definition in Nasuverse are strong because they have divine authority.
[13:38:48] Kat: Even the toilet god?
[13:38:56] Helligator: No one worships toilets.
[13:39:00] Helligator: Don't be a shitlord.

[04:32:08] Helligator: I can't make dragons in power armor like this

[19:50:12] francobull III: [...] why are you being all assive aggressive?

[23:32:37] Helligator: use the narrative as a means to convey an interesting story and cool conflicts with the openness you're allowed
[23:32:43] Helligator: not to CHEAT stories and conflicts

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Re: Cross Effects - Sign Up, Discussion Page
« Reply #2650 on: December 19, 2013, 01:25:30 AM »
...Ms. Moneybags, you're up!

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« Reply #2651 on: December 19, 2013, 01:34:42 AM »
...Ms. Moneybags, you're up!

Let the negotiations begin.

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Re: Cross Effects - Sign Up, Discussion Page
« Reply #2652 on: December 19, 2013, 01:40:59 AM »
Wow Downy, you just chose the wrong person to attempt to drain.

Alice, do you think you could post?  Or should I just have Forest go be a snarky bitch to Sakura.

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« Reply #2653 on: December 19, 2013, 02:19:40 AM »
So you don't have to wait on me, just assume for now that Connor's extremely rude entry cut off Finn before he could be a total bro sweetheart about his rejection. Plus there's no way in hell I want to delay anyone being a snarky bitch to "Sakura." :3

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« Reply #2654 on: December 19, 2013, 02:29:49 AM »
Work's working me like a workhorse and I've caught wind of a nasty bug, and work has decided to not let go of its vicegrip on me regardless.

Basically I ain't making an RP post today, and even maybe tomorrow.

For specifics: 9am-7pm, I just checked and I have a fever, and they're asking me to work harder tomorrow.

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