New Fate/Stay Night Anime Announced!

[Cherry Lover]

Sakura is still a damn important character in the story as a whole. If they're going to overlook HF again, they need to at least involve Sakura elsewhere.

In more than 2/3 of the story (because Fate is longer than HF) she is so minor character that Issei gets to do more major thing if we count bad ends.

Doesn't fucking matter, because we're not talking about just 2/3rds of the story, we're talking about the whole thing. Plus, even then that is not true, Sakura has far more involvement even in those routes than Issei does.

But the anime is advertised as "Fate/Stay Night", not "Fate" or "Unlimited Blade Works". And, as I said already, we have an existing Fate adaptation, and a UBW one too (albeit a really awful one), so if any route should be adapted, it's HF.

There is Fate in Fate/Stay Night, you know. And since ufotable is a separate studio, there should care less about what DEEN have animated. Also, remakes are very popular in Japan now.

Bullshit, it is still the same damn story, and authorised by TM. They should absolutely take account of what has been done before.

And, as for the "Fate in Fate/Stay Night" thing, you're just being deliberately stupid. You know exactly what I meant, and you know damn well that I am right.

[KAIZA]

Guys, let's stop arguing, OK? Let's be civil about this and respect each other's opinions.

[RamKingSpaceSlamKatsulam]

I think this is a discussion board and they should discuss each others' opinions.

[Kat]

Doesn't fucking matter, because we're not talking about just 2/3rds of the story, we're talking about the whole thing.

Type-Moon now sells routes seperately.

And, as for the "Fate in Fate/Stay Night" thing, you're just being deliberately stupid. You know exactly what I meant, and you know damn well that I am right.

You cannot be right in the sense of being objectively right, since your desire to see HF animated is a matter of opinion. The same case as Saber fans wanting to see Fate animated, and since they are the majority (look at polls) there is a high chance they will be pandered to since Saber is Nasu's cash cow. She sells better than Rin and Sakura.

Personally I'd prefer DDD anime.

[Cherry Lover]

Doesn't fucking matter, because we're not talking about just 2/3rds of the story, we're talking about the whole thing.

Type-Moon now sells routes seperately.

Yeah, but this anime isn't being advertised as "Fate/Stay Night: Fate route", is it...?

And, as for the "Fate in Fate/Stay Night" thing, you're just being deliberately stupid. You know exactly what I meant, and you know damn well that I am right.

You cannot be right in the sense of being objectively right, since your desire to see HF animated is a matter of opinion. The same case as Saber fans wanting to see Fate animated, and since they are the majority (look at polls) there is a high chance they will be pandered to since Saber is Nasu's cash cow. She sells better than Rin and Sakura.

Personally I'd prefer DDD anime.

No, I'm not objectively right in saying that they should animate HF, but I am right that they are advertising it as a FSN anime and not as an anime for one of the routes, and I'm also right that there already exists a Fate adaptation (and a UBW one, albeit really bad).

You are right, of course, that Saber fans are likely to given higher priority because there are more of them, but the same logic leads to the conclusion that it is better to attempt to please all of the fans, which means adding stuff for Sakura, Rider etc.

Most likely, it will be somewhat based on Fate, but I would be surprised if it was pure Fate. Especially given their previous comments about wanting to please everyone.

[Kat]

Yeah, but this anime isn't being advertised as "Fate/Stay Night: Fate route", is it...?

But it's not either Heaven's Feel. They are keeping us in dark. It could be even an original route or the cut out Ilya route, modified for the target audience. Or the one leading to F/HA, since we got snippets of Avenger and Hawaian shirt Lancer in newest promo materials.

You are right, of course, that Saber fans are likely to given higher priority because there are more of them, but the same logic leads to the conclusion that it is better to attempt to please all of the fans, which means adding stuff for Sakura, Rider etc.

Most likely, it will be somewhat based on Fate, but I would be surprised if it was pure Fate.

I just 'pray' if that's the case the Sakura plot is handled more like in the manga's case rather than another case of BSDM Sakura. If ufotable decides it will not be congruent to add certain extra scenes, they probably won't risk.

[Cherry Lover]

Yeah, but this anime isn't being advertised as "Fate/Stay Night: Fate route", is it...?

But it's not either Heaven's Feel. They are keeping us in dark. It could be even an original route or the cut out Ilya route, modified for the target audience. Or the one leading to F/HA, since we got snippets of Avenger and Hawaian shirt Lancer in newest promo materials.

Sure, but I never said it would be HF.

You are right, of course, that Saber fans are likely to given higher priority because there are more of them, but the same logic leads to the conclusion that it is better to attempt to please all of the fans, which means adding stuff for Sakura, Rider etc.

Most likely, it will be somewhat based on Fate, but I would be surprised if it was pure Fate.

I just 'pray' if that's the case the Sakura plot is handled more like in the manga's case rather than another case of BSDM Sakura. If ufotable decides it will not be congruent to add certain extra scenes, they probably won't risk.

Honestly, both are crap. The manga completely changes Sakura's backstory, and honestly is focussed more on Shinji than Sakura, and the anime, well, yeah....

I'm pretty sure they will do something, though. Hopefully it's not a complete mess like the manga and original anime were....

[Kat]

What's bad about changes to Sakura's and Shinji's backstories? Arguably, without lolworms we can take it more seriously than Heaven's Feeling.

[lantzblades]

Manga is baaaaaad.

as for this new anime. Well, I like all the characters so as long as they don't pull a tsukihime I'm fine.

[Cherry Lover]

What's bad about changes to Sakura's and Shinji's backstories? Arguably, without lolworms we can take it more seriously than Heaven's Feeling.

Because, without Zouken, Sakura's actions in the story don't make sense given her canonical personality. There is no reason for her to hand Rider over to Shinji if she doesn't have Zouken to control her or, indeed, to even summon Rider at all. And, without Zouken being abusive, there is no reason why she would end up so submissive to Shinji in the first place. Hell, for that matter, there is no reason for her to even end up with the Matou family without Zouken wanting to train her.

Plus, in any case, this follows Zero, which was made by the same company. It might not be a direct sequel, but to change Sakura's backstory would confuse the hell out of people.

[Kat]

There was Byakuya in manga to be abusive.

And I disagree about manga being bad, it was certainly better than DEEN.

[Cherry Lover]

It's not just about the abuse, though, it's about control. Sakura shows in HF that she's quite capable of opposing Zouken if it means enough to her (she refuses to control Rider despite expecting him to throw her to the worms for it), so why would she go for the Grail War if she didn't have him to force her into it. Further, even if he could get her to compete, there's no reason for her not to use Rider to free herself from him. And, even if she doesn't do that, why would she hand Rider to Shinji so he can use her to kill Shirou when she could just use Rider herself to protect Shirou? In canon, Zouken prevents that, because he'll force her to use Rider to win the war, but without the worms there is nothing to prevent her opposing him.

The only way to make it work is to drastically alter Sakura's personality, and make her a much weaker person. And, since what I like about Sakura is her mental strength, I don't like that idea one bit.

[Kat]

In FSN manga Zouken could have as well act from the shadows. He clearly exists in UBW or Fate, but he still estimates he will survive long enough for the next HGW, so he is patient.

[Elf]

Anyone seen or have a link to the new trailer?

[Kat]

Pai provided this:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/e3m4rpmgsa47ckg/TV%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%E3%80%8CFate+stay+night%E3%80%8DPV%E7%AC%AC%EF%BC%92%E5%BC%BE%EF%BC%88AnimeJapan%E5%85%AC%E9%96%8BPV+%E3%83%96%E3%83%A9%E3%83%83%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A2%E3%83%83%E3%83%97%E7%89%88%EF%BC%89+-+Copy.mp4