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[lantzblades]

Going with no arch. No matter the argument the facts won't change. My characters have well enough skill to resist intrusion. They will resist as is natural and succeed unless pressed.

[Aiden]

Playing along is generally considered polite.

[Daiki]

If someone with a more powerful mind cast suggestions on your characters, they shouldn't be able to shrug it off. They might be able to resist somehow for a bit but, there is no reason they should be able to ignore it.

Hmm, that's possible. Though I don't know if we've ever used psychic abilities used against Servants before, so I'm not sure what would happen.

I guess I could get a round of opinions on it. What do you guys think would happen?

If we followed Nasuverse logic, Tom's ability would classify as ESP.

Mystic Eyes are a good example of ESP and they do affect Servants, although it would surely be met with a form of resistance according to whom is on the receiving end and what he's actually trying to perform. That could cover a large amount of results but, even if it doesn't incapacitate a Servant, it should at least hinder them in some way. As for if we're going to deduce if Servants are immune to mind interferences, I would say they shouldn't be, regardless of the nature of the power attacking them.

As long as people don't go overboard with their abilities, like "your character is now psychic blank", it should be fine. Not like there's any reason to worry over such matter for now, I doubt any PC's capable of that. (Unless one of them is actually Professor X. in disguise)

[Cherry Lover]

I counter with the premise that any skilled psychic quickly learns to break through such defenses by undermining them through inducing emotional responses that are distracting or physically painful. For that matter, they probably also exploit uncontrollable reflexes, firing them off through psychic pressure. It's remarkably easy to make anyone feel like they're drowning or suffocating.

Strange, Arch, how when you wanted to resist Taiga's extremely-powerful Mystic Eyes that was perfectly reasonable, but when Lantz tries to do the same sort of thing it's completely unjustified....

If someone with a more powerful mind cast suggestions on your characters, they shouldn't be able to shrug it off. They might be able to resist somehow for a bit but, there is no reason they should be able to ignore it.

Perhaps, but the same should apply to Taiga's Mystic Eyes, and yet Magos just shrugged those off without them having any effect despite IIRC not having any specific anti-psychic powers.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

I counter with the premise that any skilled psychic quickly learns to break through such defenses by undermining them through inducing emotional responses that are distracting or physically painful. For that matter, they probably also exploit uncontrollable reflexes, firing them off through psychic pressure. It's remarkably easy to make anyone feel like they're drowning or suffocating.

Strange, Arch, how when you wanted to resist Taiga's extremely-powerful Mystic Eyes that was perfectly reasonable, but when Lantz tries to do the same sort of thing it's completely unjustified....

If someone with a more powerful mind cast suggestions on your characters, they shouldn't be able to shrug it off. They might be able to resist somehow for a bit but, there is no reason they should be able to ignore it.

Perhaps, but the same should apply to Taiga's Mystic Eyes, and yet Magos just shrugged those off without them having any effect despite IIRC not having any specific anti-psychic powers.

Let me put it like this - Taiga's command was very, very general. Her powers aren't as much 'infiltrating the mind' as "ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL'", something which is much harder to do, and with Jack he's got his own supernatural resistance against mental effects along with one fucking hell of a determined mind. It's hard to make him do something. It'd be easier to read his mind than it would be to control him. And Taiga ISN'T a skilled psychic. All she has is the eyes, and those would have to force themselves into control of Jack's body - something the Blood resists innately. Blood Potency and Willpower allow you to resist a shitload of magical effects to a degree, especially mind control. Plus there's a merit he has that is directly related to that, resisting attempts to control his mind.

It's the difference between going through a wall and going around and under it. Taiga tried to go through it, and with Jack's statline that's something very, very hard to do.

[Cherry Lover]

Ok, I've posted as Kiyoshi because he had no real interaction with any of Elf's characters and getting him out of the way means that she can just respond to Rin. With Rider I'm going to wait for Elf, though, because there's more interaction there.

[Elf]

And I shall post soon, I just have to do dishes and laundry.

I will state that Fore is a 1000+ year old telepath who was naturally telepathic before she was turned into a vampire.  On the flipside though, she really doesn't like using her powers for manipulation.

[Alice]

If someone with a more powerful mind cast suggestions on your characters, they shouldn't be able to shrug it off. They might be able to resist somehow for a bit but, there is no reason they should be able to ignore it.

Hmm, that's possible. Though I don't know if we've ever used psychic abilities used against Servants before, so I'm not sure what would happen.

I guess I could get a round of opinions on it. What do you guys think would happen?

If we followed Nasuverse logic, Tom's ability would classify as ESP.

Mystic Eyes are a good example of ESP and they do affect Servants, although it would surely be met with a form of resistance according to whom is on the receiving end and what he's actually trying to perform. That could cover a large amount of results but, even if it doesn't incapacitate a Servant, it should at least hinder them in some way. As for if we're going to deduce if Servants are immune to mind interferences, I would say they shouldn't be, regardless of the nature of the power attacking them.

As long as people don't go overboard with their abilities, like "your character is now psychic blank", it should be fine. Not like there's any reason to worry over such matter for now, I doubt any PC's capable of that. (Unless one of them is actually Professor X. in disguise)

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, that all makes sense.

As for Tom specifically, since there's questioning about mental barriers being penetrated here, he's well above the level of your average psychic, even above Forest. He should be able to be able to get through most psychic defenses. That's why I haven't been mentioning much about getting through mental barriers yet, I assume he wouldn't have much trouble getting through those as it is. ...Tom's scary like that.

[lantzblades]

Resistance is the point.

having characters just take information is unfair.

oh, pro tip, do not dig deeper than surface thoughts with Satoshi. His mind is an intentional psychic trap.

[Milbunk]

Hmm so I've been thinking and I believe I've already got my idea for my next plan and it's gonna be a doozy, should be fun to troll everyone yet again.

To start this crazy plan allow me to introduce my newest character! (Also my next post within the hour.)

[lantzblades]

YES!

[Elf]

Medea (Caster) is approved!

Great, Forest is going to get magically molested, isn't she? (She is Caster's type after all.)

[Milbunk]

Only if you try to cross her, which given the circumstances is bound to be likely.

[Elf]

Only if you try to cross her, which given the circumstances is bound to be likely.

Probably if Caster's being a naughty witch.

I just need to figure out how to introduce Wynn.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Aaaaand posted.

Though seriously lantz, what the hell. Does Suetoshi have any weaknesses that aren't emotional and informed because they never actually slow him down?