of flesh and fantasy poll and discussion.

[Cherry Lover]

Hmm, OK, then what do you think would work?

stealing the mirror and summoning her with say toshi etcetera.

Eh, what?

And, we also need to work out who the other masters will be, their intentions etc. and their servants, as well as who Rin, Sakura and Shirou will have as servants.

yeah, dunno yet

Yeah, nor me. I did make some suggestions before (for example, Luvia wanting to take Rin and Sakura as prisoners), and I guess Ilya would likely show up, but I'm not sure who else, or where the sex will come in outside of the Tohsaka/Emiya stuff.

[lantzblades]

Eh, what?

from zouken

I did make some suggestions before (for example, Luvia wanting to take Rin and Sakura as prisoners), and I guess Ilya would likely show up, but I'm not sure who else, or where the sex will come in outside of the Tohsaka/Emiya stuff.

might be a light arc then.

[Cherry Lover]

Eh, what?

from zouken

I meant that I wasn't sure what you meant by "with Satoshi".

I did make some suggestions before (for example, Luvia wanting to take Rin and Sakura as prisoners), and I guess Ilya would likely show up, but I'm not sure who else, or where the sex will come in outside of the Tohsaka/Emiya stuff.

might be a light arc then.

Well, I would imagine Shirou would have quite a lot of sex. I just think some variety would be nice....

[lantzblades]

I meant that I wasn't sure what you meant by "with Satoshi".

being the summoner

Well, I would imagine Shirou would have quite a lot of sex. I just think some variety would be nice....

i meant short.

[Cherry Lover]

I meant that I wasn't sure what you meant by "with Satoshi".

being the summoner

Ah, OK.

That does work, yeah, and it allows Rider to potentially pair up with Toshi, as well as possibly domming Sakura with Shirou.

Well, I would imagine Shirou would have quite a lot of sex. I just think some variety would be nice....

i meant short.

Well, I wouldn't want it to be too short, because there are lots of fun scenes to write for Shirou....

[lantzblades]

That does work, yeah, and it allows Rider to potentially pair up with Toshi, as well as possibly domming Sakura with Shirou.

pick one.

Well, I wouldn't want it to be too short, because there are lots of fun scenes to write for Shirou....

needs balance.

[Cherry Lover]

That does work, yeah, and it allows Rider to potentially pair up with Toshi, as well as possibly domming Sakura with Shirou.

pick one.

Hmm, I see....

Well, I'm not sure. I really want to do the Sakura getting dommed by Rider and Shirou thing, and it allows Shirou to add Rider into their relationship (who is bisexual, and thus likely to service Rin and Sakura when Shirou can't), but it means we don't have an obvious girl to pair Toshi with, which will likely shorten the story somewhat.

We also do need someone who Shinji can summon, in order to provide Shirou with a reason to punish Sakura in the first place (I want that to happen regardless of Rider's involvement).

Well, I wouldn't want it to be too short, because there are lots of fun scenes to write for Shirou....

needs balance.

Yeah, I know, hence why I'm trying to think of some alternatives.

[lantzblades]

We also do need someone who Shinji can summon, in order to provide Shirou with a reason to punish Sakura in the first place

um what?

[Cherry Lover]

We also do need someone who Shinji can summon, in order to provide Shirou with a reason to punish Sakura in the first place

um what?

Do you not remember my original plan?

Sakura would rush off against his instructions and get caught in a trap by Shinji, and held hostage. Shirou would have to get her free (almost losing his servant as a result), and thus would punish her for disobeying him.

[lantzblades]

no i missed that.

[Cherry Lover]

no i missed that.

Hmm, OK.

What did you think the "punishment" thing I was talking about was, then?

[lantzblades]

i thought it was a random punishment, in any case that's fine.

[Cherry Lover]

i thought it was a random punishment

Ah, OK. What were you thinking it would be for...?

in any case that's fine.

Yeah, although we do need to work out someone for Shinji.

I also need to consider how to handle Rider, and also who the two other servants the girls and Shirou will summon will be. Possibly we could pair Toshi up with one of the other servants.

As for additional partcipants, I did have the idea of Shiki having slaves, notably Kohaku and Hisui as actual slaves, and Akiha as a nominal slave. I mean, they're basically slaves in canon anyway....

They could participate, and have sex, which would add more variety. Also, Bazett would probably be involved with Lancer, which is also likely to lead to sex. And, Luvia may or may not end up fucking her servant, depending who it is.

We also need to work out how this story will end. Will Shirou get the Grail (assuming it's not corrupted), and if so what exactly would he wish for? If not, how will he deal with the situation as it stands?

[lantzblades]

I mean, they're basically slaves in canon anyway....

er no they aren't

[Cherry Lover]

I mean, they're basically slaves in canon anyway....

er no they aren't

Well, prior to Makihisa's death they are. Even after that they aren't far off, Akiha is just nice enough not to abuse them.

Anyway, do you have any responses to the rest of what I said? We need to work out the other servants etc.