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« Reply #120 on: July 21, 2013, 03:04:12 AM »
Arc is stronger yet I some how doubt you'd have an issue with her

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« Reply #121 on: July 21, 2013, 03:09:38 AM »
Arc is stronger yet I some how doubt you'd have an issue with her

Well, it depends. If she was going to just solve everything and prevent everyone else from being able to RP then, yes, I would.

However, Arc is somewhat whimsical, whereas from what I can tell Toshi is a hero, so is more inclined to resolve problems.

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« Reply #122 on: July 21, 2013, 04:08:42 AM »
Not to mention Arc is usually nerfed by her bloodlust. Doesn't her power change according to the opponent? Don't quote me on that though, I'm probably wrong

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« Reply #123 on: July 21, 2013, 04:09:23 AM »
Not to mention Arc is usually nerfed by her bloodlust. Doesn't her power change according to the opponent? Don't quote me on that though, I'm probably wrong

It does, yeah, although she's always slightly more powerful than whoever she's fighting, so....

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« Reply #124 on: July 21, 2013, 04:20:02 AM »
Slightly more powerful? Oh...I usually forget that detail, too focused on her ditziness

@Lantz, There are only minor issues in the long run, mate, don't need to get so defensive. It is NOTHING conpared to Xamusel's character....
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« Reply #125 on: July 21, 2013, 05:03:07 AM »
In regards to whether it's my turn or not, I'm waiting for Elf to go first, since she has more priority to move in my opinion, and Archer can't act until Lancer does. :) I'll post after that happens.

And Xam, I've played Kingdom Hearts I and II and got through a good chunk of Chain of Memories, so if you need help at all, feel free to ask me. :) I know some stuff about the rest of the series too through LPs and stuff, and any gaps in my memory I can refill through rewatching the cutscenes on Youtube, so don't hesitate to ask if you need help. :D

As for my input on Satoshi...

Satoshi is vastly overpowered. Overpowered can work by itself if it's justified- see the Arc example. But the way Satoshi is overpowered isn't quite the same as how Arc is overpowered though, which is part of the main problem here.

In fact, I'm going to use Arc as a basis of comparison. Yes, Arc is stronger than Satoshi, possibly even so when nerfed by the blood lust. However, she has other things to balance her out further- like OPOI mentioned, she has her head in the clouds most of the time. Plus whether she acts or not really depends on the situation. The other thing that makes Arc work in spite of her OPness however, is that she's not usually serious as a character. I don't mean in terms of personality, I mean in terms of how the story portrays her. It doesn't slam how powerful she is in our face constantly, so when she does go into action, we can tell the situation is a very serious one in order to provoke her into doing so. Plus there's more to Arc than her power, so much more.

Satoshi, like Mike mentioned, is the type that wants to solve everyone's problems. His power is a key part of who he is, to the point it distracts from who  he is as a character. He's very much the typical hero character besides that. He does have weaknesses, but he doesn't have enough weaknesses, so it makes the number of threats seem minimal. It makes it so he can pretty much solve everything with little hindrance, especially when so little can stop him. So when he goes around solving everyone's problems like magic, it disrupts both character dynamics and reduces conflict.

Conflict is key to making a story work- things become uninteresting without it. With how overpowered Satoshi is, he threatens to limit the level of conflicts. If he can solve pretty much all the problems in the story and everything is good and peaceful, then why have a story to begin with? If every enemy falls easily, there's little reason to be invested. Especially if Satoshi is taking over the fighting and problems solving for the other characters. Then you pretty much eliminate there being an RP in the first place, because it gives the rest of us nothing to do. And in an RP, you need to be considerate of the other players- you can't just do whatever you want, you need to think about them too.

You also need to not be so defensive when it comes to people's advice on this stuff. We aren't trying to attack you here. We're trying to help. Believe me, I'd love more feedback on my posts, because I feel like I have a lot to improve with my own writing. It's not an insult, trust me. Any writer that wants to soar to great heights in their profession needs to listen to the criticism they receive. Even if it is stated in a mean fashion, so long as there's anything that helps you improve in there, there's still something valuable to be gleaned from it, trust me. But in this case, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm trying to help. None of us are trying to be mean. So please don't treat us as if we are and treat our advice seriously.

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« Reply #126 on: July 21, 2013, 05:48:35 AM »
Mike is projecting based on what I told him about the character's basic nature which is vastly different from his motivations post adventure, further Mike's objection is based off possibly losing a porn scene in the story to which I specifically stated Satoshi wasn't going to stop anyway.

clearly however you've seen fit to treat me like a six year old  and will never let this go, so next time I won't even bother trying to put up another profile for a character.

you may not see what you've said as insulting  Alice but it frankly is. I had hoped not to get the same stigma as on bl but clearly that's not the case

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« Reply #127 on: July 21, 2013, 06:45:21 AM »
The thing is that we don't know that backstory like Mike does- you need to understand that when you present us with this. We can only work with what we know from what you present to us. Not everyone's read your stories, so it's not fair to assume that we have. So you need to consider that.

As for Rider and Forest, the possible sex scene isn't what Mike's primarily concerned about. He's concerned about it interfering with the dynamic Rider now has set up with Forest, as well as the fact that it takes away any consequences that Fore has to deal with due to her actions.

Let me bring up an example- Twilight fails so hard as a book because there are no consequences. Everything is resolved nice and neatly, and the "good guys" don't have to worry about anything in the end. It takes away the tension, and thus the investment. This is an essential part to having interesting conflicts to drive a story. If everything is just resolved with little to no negative consequence, it causes people to lose interest.

So by just having Satoshi swoop in and just give Rider prana out of nowhere, not only does it make Satoshi seem overpowered in a bad way, but it also makes it so Fore doesn't have to worry about anything now, which robs the RP of some interesting character moments on Fore's part, since this little bargain I suspect will bring her some great discomfort indeed. So it's more that bad stuff still has to pass, and it has to come naturally from the characters and set up as to feel natural and to keep things interesting.

As for how you think we're treating you, it's because you are acting somewhat immature. The mature thing to do is to accept the criticism or even just ignore it entirely instead of telling us how you feel we're supposedly picking on you for doing so.

Also, what I said was never meant to be insulting, and the fact that you continue to take anything negative said about your writing as insulting is not good for you. Since you already think I'm out to get you as it is, I'll ask you this- if everyone everywhere you go seems to hold very similar opinions in regards to your need to improve, then doesn't that show that something need to change? 

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« Reply #128 on: July 21, 2013, 07:03:09 AM »
They're just trying to help, Lantz.

Unlike Mike and myself, they're not familiar with 'Toshi and his story.  They're also pretty new to RPing too.  Not to mention a key factor is showing and not telling.

Also, critique isn't a bad thing.  Seriously.  I like critique because it helps me improve as a writer.  As good as someone is at something, they can always be better.  To be better sometimes an outside party has to call out issues and the like. 

Don't get me wrong, it can sting like a bitch, but in the end it'll help.

Also, posted.

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« Reply #129 on: July 21, 2013, 07:06:04 AM »
Everyone who refuses to pay attention is wrong plain and simple.

you, like mike are shoveling actions you presume will occur onto a character you frankly know fuck all about. Furthermore  regardless of any of the other abilities he has always had the ability to heal others, of course you will probably ignore this and compare me to twilight again  so I'll end it here.

I'm sorry elf I tried to do as you asked but given Alice and Mike's issues combined with the lack of male characters open from canon I have no other characters to audition for the game, I'll of course continue to play Alter but that's it. I really can't stand people trying to lecture me on something I've been doing for a good ten years

edit: top half addresses Alice.

I'm not in the mood to keep get the fucking business about this guys
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« Reply #130 on: July 21, 2013, 08:02:33 AM »
Er... moving on, I hope that my modification to my post in the character thread was appropriate, and actually made sense.

Could anyone please tell me if it works?

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« Reply #131 on: July 21, 2013, 09:17:09 AM »
Yeah, your sheet looks fine, Xam. :) Obviously it looks somewhat OP, but it's Sephiroth, so that's kinda a given here. Though I have to ask- is this Kingdom Hearts Sephiroth, or is this Final Fantasy 7 Sephiroth?

Also, lantz.... You asked us for feedback. We gave it to you. I've tolerated you treating people badly because of the criticism they've given over the past few pages because I know from Mike that it's a bit of a trigger with you, but my patience has finally worn out.

lantz, if you address anyone else with the tone you just used to address me in your last post again, I'm issuing a warning.  Is that understood?
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« Reply #132 on: July 21, 2013, 09:26:05 AM »
Er... moving on, I hope that my modification to my post in the character thread was appropriate, and actually made sense.

Could anyone please tell me if it works?
A++ for strength might be a bit too much...
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« Reply #133 on: July 21, 2013, 09:32:02 AM »
I was aiming for a Sephiroth that is from Final Fantasy 7, but had been affected by the Kingdom Hearts monsters, namely the Heartless.

I didn't know if I was making my version of Sephiroth appropriate or not, though, as it turns out, I guess I did. Thanks, Alice.

Also... what should I do to keep Sephiroth enjoyable?

@OPOI: If A++ Strength is a bit too much, then I guess I'll have to knock it down to A+, hopefully without any issues.

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« Reply #134 on: July 21, 2013, 09:39:44 AM »
I was aiming for a Sephiroth that is from Final Fantasy 7, but had been affected by the Kingdom Hearts monsters, namely the Heartless.

I didn't know if I was making my version of Sephiroth appropriate or not, though, as it turns out, I guess I did. Thanks, Alice.

Also... what should I do to keep Sephiroth enjoyable?

@OPOI: If A++ Strength is a bit too much, then I guess I'll have to knock it down to A+, hopefully without any issues.

I was kinda thinking A, cause I thought Sephiroth relied more on speed than strength, but I guess I'm wrong...

Depends on your definition of enjoyable. If you're talking about enjoyable to write, write him however you want (just kidding, I'm not that unhelpful)

I personally think you should keep him as the cold conniving super soldier we all love to hate. He'll be like the Crisis Core Sephiroth basically. Whatever you do though, DO NOT turn him into your average hero. If you turn him into someone like Luffy, I will come after you with a rusty chainsaw