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[lantzblades]

The resistance was implied, further it was not a detail of substance because before MewTom here (no disrespect it's just how my brain ids him) the only psychic around was Forest and there was no way she'd go digging around in the other characters heads with asking.

you ask me to be clear, I try no less than three times to spell it out and each time I'm given the business in one form or another.

I'm spelling it out before our other resident psychic tries to use his powers.

in short it works as such

surface (still guarded as all strong wills are but can be snaked out)

Warning sign (neon, you can't miss it) to turn back

mindscape, (you enter here being made to find your way out or face the many dangers is the consequences of pushing that far into the person)

also Mordred, Daiki, well ugh, just warning you now Satoshi will be angry. Like unbelievably mad because of the sword

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Yes, how dare that mongrel have his sword which belongs to him, the true king.


Also, neon Warning Sign.

"Welcome To Satoshi's Brain. Here Be Mongrels."

[Cherry Lover]

I have a suspicion Mordred ain't going to be too fond of Toshi either. After all, he's King Arthur's heir....

[Bloble]

Alt universe King Arthur's heir. There's enough canon disparity that mordred would be able to dismiss it as a different world completely.

...ah, who am I kidding, Mordred's gonna be pissed.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Mordred is the first born, and has a claim through being well, genetically identical.

So if anything, Toshi is the usurper and false heir.

Team Moedred for life.

[Cherry Lover]

Well, technically Toshi would be the "rightful" heir because he's male and, at the time, male children had a stronger claim than female children even if they were younger. Also, Saber clearly declared Toshi as the heir (in his universe at least) and presumably disinherited Mordred at some point, so he wins on that front too....

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Male doesn't really matter when you're an identical clone to the king.

And again, in Toshi's fucked up reality, maybe. To Mordred he's the inferior son of a heathen bastard commoner, and as such is already out of the running for the throne.

[Cherry Lover]

Male doesn't really matter when you're an identical clone to the king.

Actually, yes, it does. Being a clone of the King doesn't automatically give you higher priority in the order of succession, that's not how it works.

And again, in Toshi's fucked up reality, maybe.

I'm pretty sure that Saber rejecting Mordred as her heir does not make it a "fucked-up reality"....

To Mordred he's the inferior son of a heathen bastard commoner, and as such is already out of the running for the throne.

Yeah, unfortunately for her Saber doesn't agree with that sentiment....

[Bloble]

Alt universe Saber, Mike. Let's not start arguing fanfiction vs canon here.

[Cherry Lover]

Alt universe Saber, Mike. Let's not start arguing fanfiction vs canon here.

I'm pretty sure canon Saber wouldn't agree with that assessment either....

[lantzblades]

If not for the fact that mordred openly started a civil war to usurp the throne and then stabbed the rightful king through the chest I would agree with Mordred having a greater claim to the throne. Sadly Arthurian legend kinda disavowed Mordred by the nature of his actions

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Nah, if he hadn't died he would be king. Plus, it was an accident that lead to the whole battle in the first place.

Killing Rival heirs or family members for the throne wasn't uncommon.

[lantzblades]

By force Arch, he never had the right to the throne. He tried to steal it, no matter how much blood he spilled he would never be a real king.

[Bloble]

Honestly, I think we should stop pointless argument. In the end, it's all baseless. Both sides have claims, both sides have detractors, which one wins is solely dependent on who's writing the story. We can revisit it if it ever becomes relevant IC.

[Cherry Lover]

Nah, if he hadn't died he would be king.

Nah, if he'd lost the battle but lived I don't think he'd have been accepted as King, IIRC Saber never even publically acknowleded Mordred as her child. If he'd won then, yeah, sure, but only by right of conquest.

Honestly, I think we should stop pointless argument. In the end, it's all baseless. Both sides have claims, both sides have detractors, which one wins is solely dependent on who's writing the story. We can revisit it if it ever becomes relevant IC.

Well, the actual legal position is uncertain but largely irrelevant. But in terms of how Saber felt about it, it is absolutely clear that she did not consider Mordred as an acceptable heir, and would therefore never acknowledge her as such.