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« Reply #4110 on: January 18, 2014, 05:38:18 AM »
It is kinda... well, it's kinda a bit sexist, I'll say that much. I mean, was there a reason he needed to save a random lady and then talk down to her about relaxing and stuff? Besides being intended to make him look good?

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« Reply #4111 on: January 18, 2014, 05:45:52 AM »
It was cliche vampire B movie shtick. Not sexist.

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« Reply #4112 on: January 18, 2014, 05:47:59 AM »
Roadbuster was in an accident? D8
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« Reply #4113 on: January 18, 2014, 05:51:14 AM »
Also I'm going to add that the victims gender had nothing to do with the stuff he said, he'd have said the equivalent to a male victim. Also Just as trivia he gave the lady a book on stress relief

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« Reply #4114 on: January 18, 2014, 06:00:32 AM »
It is kinda... well, it's kinda a bit sexist, I'll say that much. I mean, was there a reason he needed to save a random lady and then talk down to her about relaxing and stuff? Besides being intended to make him look good?
Not really as sexist as much as cliche and pointless honestly. How can he even tell this guy is a vampire actually? That's a pretty freaking good question to ask.

For that matter actually telling someone that you're from the UK and that you're arresting them under their authority is a jolly good way to blow your cover.

And that's where Patches comes in, sorta. I mean, when you think about it, Shadowrunners have it good in the Nexus. Someone's got to clean up the rogue agents.
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« Reply #4115 on: January 18, 2014, 07:32:44 AM »
He was given the information Arch. Bloble's character literally handed it to him and he's a bibliophile, spotting a vampire is easy.

as for the obvious pking idea you have in mind Arch. Seriously forget about it. I won't have characters die pointlessly.

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« Reply #4116 on: January 18, 2014, 02:12:54 PM »
Sorry guys, I don't think I'm up for a post tonight. 

Let's just say I've had a really bad day.

It's fine, I won't be posting tonight anyway.

I'm fine for the most part, my husband was in a car accident tonight.  He's okay too.

Car is apparently sort of fucked though.

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It is kinda... well, it's kinda a bit sexist, I'll say that much. I mean, was there a reason he needed to save a random lady and then talk down to her about relaxing and stuff? Besides being intended to make him look good?

Just because it's a lady he saves it doesn't automatically make it sexist. Ladies are allowed to get saved as well as guys....

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« Reply #4117 on: January 18, 2014, 03:17:08 PM »
Just because it's a lady he saves it doesn't automatically make it sexist. Ladies are allowed to get saved as well as guys....
I was going to let this drop, but the way this was phrased compels me to bring it up again. That's missing the point. Yes, it's a cliche, but it's a cliche that also has somewhat sexist roots.

Let me put it this way- why couldn'tve been a man James saved to make himself look good there? Why is it that it's almost always a woman that is saved in that dark alleyway? Why did it have to be a woman if the conversation was supposedly interchangeable between genders? Think of it this way, there's a reason I pulled the little twist I did with the Random Alley Vampire Ryoko fought earlier in the RP.

No, there's nothing inherently wrong with portraying the woman as a victim. Women are indeed victims too, sadly more often than men thanks to our society being fucked up like it is. The problem is the frequency (and in reverse, the vast majority of the time their saviors are men) and how this affects our perception of women as a society. But yet, this cliche normally doesn't grate on me nearly this much despite these facts. Oh no.

It was the fact that this was set up to make James look good combined with "Sakura's" lovely little sexist lecture to Kiyoshi earlier makes a simple cliche rub me the wrong way far more than it normally would have.
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« Reply #4118 on: January 18, 2014, 03:51:49 PM »
Just because it's a lady he saves it doesn't automatically make it sexist. Ladies are allowed to get saved as well as guys....
I was going to let this drop, but the way this was phrased compels me to bring it up again. That's missing the point. Yes, it's a cliche, but it's a cliche that also has somewhat sexist roots.

Let me put it this way- why couldn'tve been a man James saved to make himself look good there? Why is it that it's almost always a woman that is saved in that dark alleyway? Why did it have to be a woman if the conversation was supposedly interchangeable between genders? Think of it this way, there's a reason I pulled the little twist I did with the Random Alley Vampire Ryoko fought earlier in the RP.

No, there's nothing inherently wrong with portraying the woman as a victim. Women are indeed victims too, sadly more often than men thanks to our society being fucked up like it is. The problem is the frequency (and in reverse, the vast majority of the time their saviors are men) and how this affects our perception of women as a society. But yet, this cliche normally doesn't grate on me nearly this much despite these facts. Oh no.

It was the fact that this was set up to make James look good combined with "Sakura's" lovely little sexist lecture to Kiyoshi earlier makes a simple cliche rub me the wrong way far more than it normally would have.
Really, Lantz seems to have a problem with women, just look at 'Of Swords and Sorcery.' One of the worst (by that I mean horribly executed, otherwise it's fucking textbook) examples of Women in Refrigerators that I've ever seen. To him they seem to be either a) something to be saved, or b) something to be screwed. I've noticed the second coming across far more in his self insert sue porn writing.

He was given the information Arch. Bloble's character literally handed it to him and he's a bibliophile, spotting a vampire is easy.

as for the obvious pking idea you have in mind Arch. Seriously forget about it. I won't have characters die pointlessly.
Really, at this point you've pulled shit with Suetoshi and this new guy that they WILL have people coming after them. That landlord for example isn't going to be happy about you destroying his property, and James revealing he's a british agent when killing a vampire is going to make several factions in the city want him dead simply on principle alone.

So no, it isn't a pointless death, it's a death with a very sincere and meaningful point - stupidity in the espionage field gets you killed fast.

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Re: Cross Effects - Sign Up, Discussion Page
« Reply #4119 on: January 18, 2014, 05:11:14 PM »
Well in his defence, it's a cliche. It's stale as fuck and generally sigh-worthy, but you can't really call him sexist for using it. Just unoriginal.

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« Reply #4120 on: January 18, 2014, 05:52:40 PM »
Well in his defence, it's a cliche. It's stale as fuck and generally sigh-worthy, but you can't really call him sexist for using it. Just unoriginal.
While I agree on general principle, it's still rather sexist and that woman reacted nothing like I'd expect her to. Or like an actual human being, but then again Lantz is horrible at writing actual human behavior. 

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« Reply #4121 on: January 18, 2014, 08:10:04 PM »
Alice seriously stop. It was not sexist and Sakura's lecture has roots in an entirely different situation. As usual your seeing what you want to see in my posts and not what is actually there.

as for you Arch, I do not believe your claims and no matter what you do I will not have my characters die to your obvious PKing nonsense

Edit: to be clear. I do not now nor have I ever considered gender a factor. There are good people and bad ones, that's it. I am not sexist and neither is my writing 
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« Reply #4122 on: January 18, 2014, 09:51:36 PM »
Alice seriously stop. It was not sexist and Sakura's lecture has roots in an entirely different situation. As usual your seeing what you want to see in my posts and not what is actually there.

as for you Arch, I do not believe your claims and no matter what you do I will not have my characters die to your obvious PKing nonsense

Edit: to be clear. I do not now nor have I ever considered gender a factor. There are good people and bad ones, that's it. I am not sexist and neither is my writing
No, no, it's pretty sexist. It's rooted in that I can tell you.

Dude. He has no idea who that woman is. A smart agent would have shadowed the vampire for a while after he fed, saw where he went, then made his move. It's basic fucking tradecraft. He should be operating under the Moscow rules in a situation like this, if he really is the 'SUPER AGENT MAN' you portray him to be. Otherwise, he's going to get assassinated pretty damn quickly.

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« Reply #4123 on: January 18, 2014, 10:04:26 PM »
Whatever Arch, believe what you want. It won't stop you from being wrong

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« Reply #4124 on: January 18, 2014, 10:18:29 PM »
Magos, just let Lantz play his characters how he wants to play them.

Also, post.