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[lantzblades]

To whom is he crazy exactly?

[YOLF]

Less arguing, more RPing.

[Cherry Lover]

There is when saying he's there makes him sound crazy.

I think people are capable of accepting "there's some hidden vampire guy in the corner". Also, surely obsfucate doesn't work so well when he's openly pointed out. That seems to me like something that should bypass it, like Jack attacking someone would. Especially amongst people who I would expect to have a decent natural defence against such things.

[lantzblades]

Perception filters usually snap when pointed out, that's the way I'm treating it

[YOLF]

In our vampire game, our often Obfuscate using vampire has a habit of seemingly showing up out of nowhere by chiming in on a conversation, which promptly makes everyone think "since when was he there? õ,O". And by this I mean, no one usually notices he's there until he speaks out.

Satoshi pointing Jack out probably won't instantly make everyone realize he's there, but it does make it more likely for them to actually take note of him.

Since, well, Face In The Crowd is a subtle mind trick that affects everyone individually (if he does something that slightly calls to attention, one person could notice and others might not). Unlike Cloak Of Night, which completely erases the vampire's presence.

[Cherry Lover]

Well, if they were just normal people you'd probably be right that it wouldn't be enough to notice, but the people in the room are not normal in any way. I would expect someone like Rider (who, remember, is a fallen goddess) to have significant mental defences against such a thing, so it shouldn't be too difficult for her to overcome obsfucate once something odd has been pointed out. She's used to weird shit happening, so she'd likely recognise something was up.

I would imagine that a situation like this would be cause for a perception roll on behalf of the characters if you were playing WoD, and I expect our characters to have a decent shot at passing that roll.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

And considering Satoshi was the only one who noticed him through Obsfucate, they still shouldn't be able to notice him unless he does something that draws attention to himself beyond what Suetoshi has done.

[Cherry Lover]

I don't think that logic follows at all. Having someone address him naturally draws attention to him in a way that him just being there doesn't. Our characters are not normal people, they're not going to be that easily-fooled.

[lantzblades]

Sorry Arch, my characters will all pick up on him next post.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

I don't think that logic follows at all. Having someone address him naturally draws attention to him in a way that him just being there doesn't. Our characters are not normal people, they're not going to be that easily-fooled.

Considering that what he's doing sounds and looks like him being fucking nuts, especially after that whole "I AM 2000 YEARS OLD" stuff, if there was a roll, there would be a serious penalty to it, simply because what he said sounds fucking insane.

Also the "I have a lot of Vampire friends" does not excuse the Fangs comment there. Suetoshi is surprisingly racist against nonhumans...

[Cherry Lover]

I don't think that logic follows at all. Having someone address him naturally draws attention to him in a way that him just being there doesn't. Our characters are not normal people, they're not going to be that easily-fooled.

Considering that what he's doing sounds and looks like him being fucking nuts, especially after that whole "I AM 2000 YEARS OLD" stuff, if there was a roll, there would be a serious penalty to it, simply because what he said sounds fucking insane.

Also the "I have a lot of Vampire friends" does not excuse the Fangs comment there. Suetoshi is surprisingly racist against nonhumans...

It might sound nuts to Jack, it doesn't to Lantz's characters and it doesn't to Rider either (remember, she would have lived forever were it not for Perseus, and I wouldn't be surprised to find that she was thousands of years old when she died). She has seen nothing yet to make her think Satoshi would start talking to a wall, and she's well aware that things can be not as they seem (after all, if she's in spirit form it's entirely possible for Sakura to talk to her without anyone else knowing that she's there).

Plus, the way Obsfucate seems to work makes it pretty obvious to me that you are inclined to just ignore his presence rather than him being literally invisible. If the most logical explanation for what is happening is "Satoshi is talking to someone" then that makes detecting him far more likely. Especially to someone like Rider, who is actually quite smart, and unlikely to just accept the feeling of "there's nothing there" easily.

[Aiden]

It is only literal invisibility at a level Jack does not have.

I still don't see why you people are making a big deal of this, though.

[Cherry Lover]

Well, I'm just stating what I intend to do and trying to defend it.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

...Actually, here's a question -

Satoshi used his Immunity to the Elements to notice Jack right?

If, as you stated, the ability is due to a contract with elementals... how is it still active? They'd be in another dimension, and if they aren't in the same dimension as you then the contract, by rules of nasu and basic logic, wouldn't be active. If Rider's contract wasn't working with Sakura, how could Satoshi's still be working?

[YOLF]

Oh god Magos. Just let it go, it's not like Jack's going to get killed by being noticed, or Satoshi would've already tried to murder him.

Yes, lantz's sheets need work, but don't drag out the argument with it please.