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[Umbra of Chaos]

If anyone wants to now anything about Grigori you can come and ask. Lantz you can restrict as much info as you please when your creating a fanfic. When you're in an RP with other people it isn't just your work. It is a story made with the help of others. They have the right to ask questions and receive answers.

[Daiki]

People have reasons to get frustrated with you lantz, something you take as people wanting to bully you.

Here's why they get mad at you;

They feel you don't listen.
Your defensive stance in front of criticism.
Your prideful attitude. (mainly your inability to recognize that you can be wrong)
Your master skill at dodging the main point in discussions.
You barely explain your reasons for your choices.

In short, you need to chill and stop seeing everything people say as a way to hurt your feelings. Even people like Arch still try to tell you when something wrong is happening. Just read what's important and don't ignore wall of texts. Openly state it when they do make valid points (and do think about how feedback can put to good use) and try to stay humble. If you do at least that much, it can only get better.

[Kat]

There is also fact that you even refer to things not added at your sheets, like comic book knowledge. In other words, you are rightly accused of metagaming.

My advice is to post revised edition of Satoshi's sheet, and then have Elf review it for things considered by her as OP.

[lantzblades]

I don't deny that Umbra, I'm just sick of saying things and having people disregard it immediately. As I just said I explained that the story doesn't directly follow canon, instead of accepting that people immediately complained and attempt to force me to change. That Umbra is bullying.



They feel you don't listen

Answer: Yes but as I stated above that's a matter perpetuated in their camp first, can you blame me when I first say something that is then immediately ignored.

Your defensive stance in front of criticism.

Answer: defensive largely of the delivery Daiki, there's good and bad formed criticism, I feel that if someone honestly wants to be constructive they need not be rude.

Your prideful attitude. (mainly your inability to recognize that you can be wrong)

Answer: yeah, this is a misconception, I originally hated Archer, worse than thespy. I spoke to Elf about it and she convinced me otherwise. I can be wrong Daiki, I've admitted that several times, not only in general but specifically in the design of Satoshi and the story at large.

Your master skill at dodging the main point in discussions.

Answer: I think that while some what true I can say it's not intentional. I just have a spoiler allergy, it's something I can't really control.

You barely explain your reasons for your choices.


Answer: something of a symptom of previous spoiler allergy. I have tried to make thread but people like Arch just flame them to hell.

In short, you need to chill and stop seeing everything people say as a way to hurt your feelings

Answer: I will on one condition.

1) you come back and play the game.

do that and I'll even listen to Arch

[Cherry Lover]

If anyone wants to now anything about Grigori you can come and ask. Lantz you can restrict as much info as you please when your creating a fanfic. When you're in an RP with other people it isn't just your work. It is a story made with the help of others. They have the right to ask questions and receive answers.

I have to agree that this is at least mostly true. I understand Lantz not wanting to spoiler his fanfic, but for an RP you do need to be more willing to discuss your characters.

There is also fact that you even refer to things not added at your sheets, like comic book knowledge. In other words, you are rightly accused of metagaming.

As I have said multiple times before, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Being expected to put every single thing he knows about on the sheet is absurd and, further, multiple other people have expressed knowledge of things that are not on their sheet (in particular, plenty of people recognised Tom as a Pokemon, and even Forest recognised the Hulk despite nothing on Forest's sheet saying she reads comic books).

So, no, until Elf makes a statement to this effect, I see no reason whatsoever for Lantz to take notice of what you are saying, because it is just plain idiotic.

My advice is to post revised edition of Satoshi's sheet, and then have Elf review it for things considered by her as OP.

We did that already. There is no reason to revise it further unless he has actual powers that he didn't mention, or things that he regularly relies on, or which would be seen as extremely unusual.

[Kat]

It was already revised. Then I cannot imagine how absurd Satoshi was back then.

[Cherry Lover]

The powers he had didn't change, but Lantz's original sheet was really lacking in detail, and about things that really should be on the sheet.

[Ivan The Mouse]

No Kat, but I can point to at least a dozen posts made by you that are bullying.

Link them.

[Kat]

But you see, the OP powers are more problem than details.

[Lycodrake]

For Lycodrake Aptera, there isn't much to really spoil since I'm still working on his story - and he shares the spotlight with Marie the camel-lioness djinn and Randt the wyrm-naga.
Lycodrake is the speedster "muscle", Marie is the bombardment mage, and Randt is the debuff specialist able to boost his stats by draining opponents of their's.

For the purposes of the RP, I decided to not include his "Typhon and Echidna Spawn" form - which basically boosts his power to that of his elder siblings: Cerberus, Hydra, Chimera, and the like.

[Cherry Lover]

Heh, depending on which version of Echidna's parentage you take, Rider (well, Medusa, anyway...) is possibly Lycodrake's Aunt.

[YOLF]

Your defensive stance in front of criticism.

Answer: defensive largely of the delivery Daiki, there's good and bad formed criticism, I feel that if someone honestly wants to be constructive they need not be rude.

Everything Ivan said in his last response to you was logical and not rude at all, and while you didn't entirely shrug him off, you didn't bother to acknowledge his points or counter them. Instead you just said this.

Salto, Ivan, bullying is never correct. There is no reason it is ever acceptable. If you cannot understand that and wish to see the bullies as valid then you might as well stop here.

The "bullying" is not even what they were talking about, just your general method and means by which you respond to criticism.

And on that matter. There are people who have been giving you reasonable and constructive criticism since for ever, but even to them you never seem to have a good response, or you dodge questions nonetheless. And naturally that there are some who will get sick of it, and change their attitude towards you in a negative way over time. Do you disagree with what I'm saying?

Also, even rude answers can have good points. It's perfectly natural to ignore them if you feel offended or they are making verbal blows that you can't stand. But you also have to understand that taking or learning nothing out of the sense they might make beyond that is willful ignorance, in a way.

[Ivan The Mouse]

I don't deny that Umbra, I'm just sick of saying things and having people disregard it immediately. As I just said I explained that the story doesn't directly follow canon, instead of accepting that people immediately complained and attempt to force me to change. That Umbra is bullying.

Answer: Yes but as I stated above that's a matter perpetuated in their camp first, can you blame me when I first say something that is then immediately ignored.

It's not that they ignore it, it's that they think it is either contradictory or just plain wrong.

Answer: defensive largely of the delivery Daiki, there's good and bad formed criticism, I feel that if someone honestly wants to be constructive they need not be rude.

Sometimes caustic criticism is needed because it tends to draw the emotion of the one being criticized, in order to express the emotions felt by the reviewer when a certain work has been reviewed, especially in the field of writing. I mean, why do you think people found My Immortal hilarious, rage-inducing or even painful to read? Because of how bad it was written.

Answer: yeah, this is a misconception, I originally hated Archer, worse than thespy. I spoke to Elf about it and she convinced me otherwise. I can be wrong Daiki, I've admitted that several times, not only in general but specifically in the design of Satoshi and the story at large.

If you think it is wrong, you should consider fixing it.

Answer: I think that while some what true I can say it's not intentional. I just have a spoiler allergy, it's something I can't really control.

If you have this spoiler allergy that you say, you shouldn't be discussing anything in a group, much less be participating in an RP because, as it was already established, you should be able to discuss your characters freely without any fear of spoiling details.

Answer: something of a symptom of previous spoiler allergy. I have tried to make thread but people like Arch just flame them to hell.

Ditto to previous point.

In short, you need to chill and stop seeing everything people say as a way to hurt your feelings

Answer: I will on one condition.

1) you come back and play the game.

do that and I'll even listen to Arch

People, put these words on your sig, take a screenshot, paste to a Notepad file, do whatever you can to preserve these words. It's not just a promise, it's a gamble.

[Kat]

Ivan, I preserved Lantzblades' words.

[Brahmastra]

Edit 2: Brahmastra, sir! What page does the Karna and Gilgamesh fight start?

Uh, IIRC Karna comes into play on page 34-35