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[Cherry Lover]

Wrong, Mike. He was pretty idealistic before the soul rot.

Hey, I'm not the one who said he had no morality....

Honestly, I don't know what bishie Zouken was really like, we don't know an awful lot about him.

[Knick]

Wrong, Mike. He was pretty idealistic before the soul rot.

This. I mean he wanted to wish for a fucking Utopia.

My Zouken has lost that idealism, and is much more cynical and jaded then super young Zouken. But still not as bad a soul rot Zouken.

But Sakura though. Zouken really made her a fantastic magus. Mindset and all. 

Poor Shirou.

[Elf]

New Cross Effects stuff should be up by Friday!

Stay tuned.

[Kat]

Yay!

[Brahmastra]

Prepare your beta anuses for the amount of alphaness that is to invade CE 2.0

[Cherry Lover]

But Sakura though. Zouken really made her a fantastic magus. Mindset and all. 

Poor Shirou.

Ah, OK, I see....

Then I assume he's going to find my Sakura (who is about as far from a Magus mindset as you can get) really weird, I assume....

[Umbra of Chaos]

Weird? Maybe. Pathetic? Probably. Bishie Zouken's Sakura probably wrecks shit. Post HF Sakura has a lot of prana but lacks skill compared to one trained to be that actual heir. Although he would probably ask think old Zouken is pathetic too.

[Cherry Lover]

Weird? Maybe. Pathetic? Probably. Bishie Zouken's Sakura probably wrecks shit. Post HF Sakura has a lot of prana but lacks skill compared to one trained to be that actual heir. Although he would probably ask think old Zouken is pathetic too.

Well, Sakura also has her very own heroic spirit who obeys (mostly...) and protects her entirely of her own free will, that has to count as a somewhat impressive feat (particularly since he doesn't know how she got the power to support Rider).

[Brahmastra]

Medusa technically isnt a Heroic Spirit, she's an Anti-Hero. Also no, she doesn't have that, she has a Servant. Anyone who had their very own Heroic Spirit could conquer the world.

Also it's really not Sakura's own doing that she has it. Without Zouken setting everything up and finding her a catalyst, she would never summon Medusa.

[Cherry Lover]

Medusa technically isnt a Heroic Spirit, she's an Anti-Hero. Also no, she doesn't have that, she has a Servant. Anyone who had their very own Heroic Spirit could conquer the world.

Well, OK, but it's still pretty impressive to get someone who could crush you like an ant to devote their existence to protecting you (and without even trying, in Sakura's case)....

Also it's really not Sakura's own doing that she has it.

The original summoning, yes, but Rider remaining for the subsequent 30 years is entirely Sakura's doing. Not only does Rider remain willingly, but Sakura has the prana to supply her.

Without Zouken setting everything up and finding her a catalyst, she would never summon Medusa.

Only because of a lack of desire. Sakura was fully capable of summoning a servant, she just had no interest in it. And, Rin never found a catalyst either (at least not intentionally), so....

Plus, Zouken doesn't know any of this. All he would know is that Sakura is there and has a servant she can support after the war.

[Daiki]

Well, Sakura also has her very own heroic spirit who obeys (mostly...) and protects her entirely of her own free will, that has to count as a somewhat impressive feat (particularly since he doesn't know how she got the power to support Rider).

Just tell him she reproduced a bastard version of the Third in the Grail War and he will ask to become her disciple. Especially considering how he feels towards the user of the Third.

[Cherry Lover]

I think it's probably better not to give him ideas....

[Brahmastra]

Medusa isn't particularly more loyal than anyone else. She just went "This chick is kinda like me, better not let her become a world-eating super monster."

And even Ryuunosuke can summon a Servant so there's nothing to be excited about there.

[Cherry Lover]

Medusa isn't particularly more loyal than anyone else. She just went "This chick is kinda like me, better not let her become a world-eating super monster."

I don't think so somehow. If her only worry was preventing Sakura becoming a monster, then why did she protect Sakura even as she became one, and then fight to save rather than to kill her? Further, in HA she says something along the lines of "I would happily kill the whole city to save Sakura". That is pretty loyal....

[Brahmastra]

I don't think so somehow. If her only worry was preventing Sakura becoming a monster, then why did she protect Sakura even as she became one, and then fight to save rather than to kill her? Further, in HA she says something along the lines of "I would happily kill the whole city to save Sakura". That is pretty loyal....

No that's not loyal, that's sociopathic.