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[Arch-Magos Winter]

Exactly mike, I went into this thinking I'd give arch a chance and fight him cause he so insistent about it and my trust that it would be a fight immediately turned into thanks Lantz Satoshi is dead ha ha. I stated awhile ago I hate pointless death and a kamikaze attack is unbelievably pointless

So by your own admittance, you willingly entered into this? Then you have no right to complain because you saw his sheet. And then pulled the shit you just did.

And mike, once again, no in character reason for her to go after any of my characters.

I do advise for Rider to take that advice and run for the hills though.

[lantzblades]

Wow awesome

whatever arch

[Cherry Lover]

Exactly mike, I went into this thinking I'd give arch a chance and fight him cause he so insistent about it and my trust that it would be a fight immediately turned into thanks Lantz Satoshi is dead ha ha. I stated awhile ago I hate pointless death and a kamikaze attack is unbelievably pointless

So by your own admittance, you willingly entered into this? Then you have no right to complain because you saw his sheet. And then pulled the shit you just did.

Your sheet very carefully hides his alignment, and he did not expect you to perform a suicidal attack in any case.

And mike, once again, no in character reason for her to go after any of my characters.

You killed Shirou's son. That's a reason. And Lawrence tried to attack Kiyoshi, and threatened to haunt him.

And, frankly, you have no real reason to go after Lantz, so you just keep bullshitting one up. I don't see why the hell I shouldn't do the same damn thing.

I do advise for Rider to take that advice and run for the hills though.

I ain't posting nothing until this pile of crap is resolved.

If Elf wants to go against her own rules despite me doing nothing wrong then that's her decision.

[Aiden]

I really think the problem here is as follows:

1) Everyone taking things much too seriously.

2) Everyone taking things much too personally.

3) The social contract between players, and with players and their GM, is not firmly established. Basically what I'm saying is problems as they come up need to be honestly and straightforwardly addressed by the GM (or presented to the GM, if it's coming from the other end).

[Alice]

Aiden being awesome here. As your admin I really recommend listening to this man, he's talking a lot of sense here.

Also as your admin, this is the second time I'm saying this, calm down, stop arguing and wait for Elf. Things are way too heated in here. If I have to say this a third time, and I'm still ignored after that, I'm going to have to get more severe here guys, so cool it down.

[lantzblades]

The fist which destroys evil was used on zouken, even if it can't hurt Raul I never intended on using it, I was just being as detailed as possible because elf asked me too. Satoshi isn't a killer

[Cherry Lover]

I really think the problem here is as follows:

1) Everyone taking things much too seriously.

2) Everyone taking things much too personally.

3) The social contract between players, and with players and their GM, is not firmly established. Basically what I'm saying is problems as they come up need to be honestly and straightforwardly addressed by the GM (or presented to the GM, if it's coming from the other end).

Well, as regards to 1) and 2), I think Lantz has good reason to take this seriously, since killing Toshi would wreck the RP for him, and I don't blame him for taking it personally when I know for certain that Magos is specifically targetting his characters, and has attacked him with clear intent to kill (and an expectation that it would succeed) multiple times already.

As regards 3), yeah, I think Elf has handled this badly. She clearly has issues with Lantz's RPing, but rather than openly addressing them she's just sanctioning Magos to smack him on her behalf, and in a game-wrecking manner (for Lantz anyway).

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Note - all Lawrence did was flip the kid off and insult him. There's no connection between any of my characters, so only Lawrence would conceivably be in Sakura's shit list, and there's no way she could know about the haunting. And even then, she's overreacting hardcore. Metagaming is something you shouldn't do Mike. And Raul will more likely than not be DEAD after this so she can't take revenge on him. Lantz basically set that one up himself, there's no OOC malice going on here. In character, he initiated, and then pulled the castle shit. There was no other option for Raul, In Character, to take.

I really think the problem here is as follows:

1) Everyone taking things much too seriously.

2) Everyone taking things much too personally.

3) The social contract between players, and with players and their GM, is not firmly established. Basically what I'm saying is problems as they come up need to be honestly and straightforwardly addressed by the GM (or presented to the GM, if it's coming from the other end).

I can tell you that Mike and Lantz are very very guilty of one and 2 here. And 3 does need to be firmly established.

Aiden being awesome here. As your admin I really recommend listening to this man, he's talking a lot of sense here.

Also as your admin, this is the second time I'm saying this, calm down, stop arguing and wait for Elf. Things are way too heated in here. If I have to say this a third time, and I'm still ignored after that, I'm going to have to get more severe here guys, so cool it down.

Got it Alice.

[lantzblades]

Elf please reply to my pm when you read this, it is important

[Cherry Lover]

Metagaming is something you shouldn't do Mike.

Oh, hi there pot....

And Raul will more likely than not be DEAD after this so she can't take revenge on him. Lantz basically set that one up himself, there's no OOC malice going on here. In character, he initiated, and then pulled the castle shit. There was no other option for Raul, In Character, to take.

Rubbish. You are quite clearly and obviously looking for excuses to shaft Lantz.

I can tell you that Mike and Lantz are very very guilty of one and 2 here. And 3 does need to be firmly established.

Yes, because your actions will ruin the RP for us if left to stand. You already ruined something that Lantz was planning with me by your OOC actions and approach (as opposed to IC actions, which would be fine, although some consideration would be nice) and now you intend to ruin the RP for Lantz and me totally by killing Toshi off.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Fun fact, never metagamed. Lawrences shotgun blast on Connor - In Character. This whole thing? In Character. How does it feel to be wrong mike? And no, I'm not looking for opportunities, I'm simply reacting IN CHARACTER.

[Aiden]

Magos, going to ask you nicely right now. Please stop posting on this subject at all until Elf arrives.

I really think the problem here is as follows:

1) Everyone taking things much too seriously.

2) Everyone taking things much too personally.

3) The social contract between players, and with players and their GM, is not firmly established. Basically what I'm saying is problems as they come up need to be honestly and straightforwardly addressed by the GM (or presented to the GM, if it's coming from the other end).

Well, as regards to 1) and 2), I think Lantz has good reason to take this seriously, since killing Toshi would wreck the RP for him, and I don't blame him for taking it personally when I know for certain that Magos is specifically targetting his characters, and has attacked him with clear intent to kill (and an expectation that it would succeed) multiple times already.

As regards 3), yeah, I think Elf has handled this badly. She clearly has issues with Lantz's RPing, but rather than openly addressing them she's just sanctioning Magos to smack him on her behalf, and in a game-wrecking manner (for Lantz anyway).

You could be right, but I would ask you to provide evidence of both accusations to Magos and Elf. In private, so we don't clutter the hell out of this thread anymore now that then nice Admin lady has asked for the arguing to stop.

[Alice]

Listen to the Aiden, for he says words of wisdom. Be good or Santa Nero won't bring you guys any presents this Christmas.

[Cherry Lover]

OK, fine. It's probably not a great idea for me to wreck my own forum with continuous arguments....

[YOLF]

I think everyone just needs to chill.

I kinda know the right person to do that, but I must finish writing his origin story.

Oh, and hi there guys, will be joining in~