character discussion

[lantzblades]

A thread to discuss the characters of type moon, I figure we needed one.

[Cherry Lover]

Well, OK, let's talk about Sakura.

Personally, she's my favourite character. What I like about her is her mental strength and general kindness and niceness. Despite everything she's been through, she still lives as normal a life as possible given the circumstances, and is a fundamentally kind and caring person. Further, despite all the years of torture, when Zouken wants her to fight in the war she has the strength to say "no", despite the fact that she fully expects to be tortured.  Additionally, in HF, she sent Rider up against Zouken when he was attacking Shirou, despite the fact that Zouken could easily have tortured or killed her for that.

She's smart, kind, caring and actually very strong. True, she ends up turning Dark in HF, but she's under a hell of a lot of pressure from AM, and even then she showed a hell of a lot of mental resolve to hang on for so long despite the pressure from AM.

[lantzblades]

I think her kindness comes from the abuse to be honest. I think given what the nasuverse is she'd be a rather heartless magi if left in normal care. As for AM, I don't think it is pressure, at least not the traditional mental pressure we've seen with mind attacks.

[Cherry Lover]

I think her kindness comes from the abuse to be honest.

I don't think that makes the slighest bit of sense given human nature.

I think given what the nasuverse is she'd be a rather heartless magi if left in normal care.

What, like Rin is you mean...?

As for AM, I don't think it is pressure, at least not the traditional mental pressure we've seen with mind attacks.

Well, what is it, then?

[lantzblades]

It's like being swallowed by the Borg, you are a person and have a voice but the crowd drowns it out. And I would think worse than rin

[Cherry Lover]

It's like being swallowed by the Borg, you are a person and have a voice but the crowd drowns it out.

What is that in response to?

And I would think worse than rin

Why? What makes Sakura a fundamentally less-nice person than Rin?

[lantzblades]

To the AM thing. And Sakura isn't it is just that the other magi families are elitist bastards

[Cherry Lover]

To the AM thing.

Ah, OK, that does kind-of make sense. What I said is still basically right, though. It took a lot of mental strength to keep her own voice from being drowned out for so long.

And Sakura isn't it is just that the other magi families are elitist bastards

So? Rin was raised to be a bitch, and she still turned out nice. I don't see Sakura being any different. She's just fundamentally a nice person.

[lantzblades]

So? Rin was raised to be a bitch

no, she wasn't, you're forgetting she was left with a bunch of supposed rules but no one to enforce or correct them.

[Cherry Lover]

So? Rin was raised to be a bitch

no, she wasn't, you're forgetting she was left with a bunch of supposed rules but no one to enforce or correct them.

Well, she had Kotomine, and also her own desire to obey her father. Whilst Rin might have ended up worse if Tokiomi had lived, I don't think that her humanity would have disappeared. Similarly, Sakura raised by a normal magus family would still not be bad.

[lantzblades]

I didn't say disappear

[Cherry Lover]

I didn't say disappear

Well, the problem here is that you've not defined the situation. You said her abuse led to her being a nice person, but that's not what you acutally meant. What you meant was that her not being raised as a magus made her a nice person. It is true that, if she'd been raised as the Matou heir by someone like Zouken, she likely would have been a bit less nice. Even so, though, it's hardly like he encouraged her to be a good person. He wanted her to reach out and take what she wanted and to be generally selfish, because doing so suited his goals (as long as she didn't rebel against him, which selfishness plus his level of control would ensure). So, the fact that she turned out nice regardless of that means she likely would have turned out pretty nice no matter what.

[lantzblades]

What you meant was that her not being raised as a magus made her a nice person.

no I didn't

[Cherry Lover]

What you meant was that her not being raised as a magus made her a nice person.

no I didn't

Well, then what did you mean? Because being abused certainly isn't the reason she's nice, she would have been a nice person if she'd grown up normally (if you don't assume magic gets in the way).

[lantzblades]

the abused are more empathic by virtue of their experience